Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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catharina said:
Duly noted in these almost 4000 posts - many times.
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No. what was noted is that the dispatcher said,

“we don’t need you to do that.”

That is not the same as

“do not follow him.”

It has also been noted many times that the dispatcher has NO authority to order anyone to do anything.

Now, I will say, that YOU have posted many times that he was told not to follow, but every time you do, someone reminds you of what was really said.
 
"Trayvon Martin’s mom says she thinks his killing was an ‘accident’

Trayvon Martin’s mother Sybrina Fulton told the TODAY show Thursday that she believes her son’s fatal shooting by George Zimmerman was an accident.

“I believe it was an accident, I believe that it just got out of control and he couldn’t turn the clock back," she said. “I would ask him, ‘Did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon?’” she added.”…

Blue excerpt from: usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/12/11159111-trayvon-martins-mom-says-she-thinks-his-killing-was-an-accident?lite
 
vz71 said:
Source.

And you may wish to look it up again.
He was never ordered to stand down.
He was simply told that they did not need him to do that.
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**A-hem?

I never said that he was ordered to “stand down.”
Please, do not attempt to put words into my mouth.**

I said he was told not to follow
by someone with actual authority.

He was following T Martin and
apparently he continued to follow
 
SwizzleStick said:
““I believe it was an accident, I believe that it just got out of control and he couldn’t turn the clock back,” she said. “I would ask him, ‘Did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon?’” she added.”…

Blue excerpt from: usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/12/11159111-trayvon-martins-mom-says-she-thinks-his-killing-was-an-accident?lite
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I find her vocabulary very odd.
Is there a lawyer is working with her on prepared statements?
 
maryjk said:
No. what was noted is that the dispatcher said,

“we don’t need you to do that.”

That is not the same as

“do not follow him.”

It has also been noted many times that the dispatcher has NO authority to order anyone to do anything.

Now, I will say, that YOU have posted many times that he was told not to follow, but every time you do, someone reminds you of what was really said.
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You’re quite correct.
He was told ‘not necessary to follow.’
Other poster inisisted I’d said Z was told to ‘stand down.’
Never happened.

We could simply dismantle the 911 system
if people believe 911 has no authority.
Rather certain that will not happen.
 
catharina said:
[A-hem?

I never said that he was ordered to “stand down.”
Please, do not attempt to put words into my mouth.

I said he was told not to follow
by someone with actual authority.

**He was following T Martin and
apparently he continued to follow
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There is currently no evidence that he continued to follow him.
 
Lujack said:
Zimmerman had no duties!

He was a self-appointed neighborhood watchman. And again, that isn’t really going to be relevant in this case-exactly how or if Martin looked suspicious is going to be irrelevant.
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No, there was a formal neighborhood watch program in place. I belong to such a program. We had to go and listen to a police officer explain what we are charged to do and not to do. We merely patrol our streets with magnetic signs on our car. In our program, we are told specifically NOT to take our weapons with us in the car. I am not sure if everyone obeys this charge, but I do. I take my cell phone with me and if I see anything suspicious, I make a call and leave the area. I do not follow, I do not chase. I do not know if Zimmerman’s neighborhood watch program is under such a charge, not to carry. Even if they are, that is a separate question and has no bearing on this case.

I cannot say if George Zimmerman had a reason to follow Trayvon Martin. I was not there. None of us were. He was told, “You don’t need to do that,” by the dispatcher. Would it have been better had he agreed not to follow Martin? Yes, it would have. That, we all agree on. It is a tragedy that Martin is dead.

I cannot say if Zimmerman was in fear of his life. I was not there. None of us were. I pray that he will get a fair trial, although I can’t see how that will happen.
 
catharina said:
A-hem?

I never said that he was ordered to "stand down."
Please, do not attempt to put words into my mouth.

I said he was told not to follow
by someone with actual authority.
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Source?

You have been corrected on this error many times, yet you insist upon it.

Who was the authority? When was he told not to follow?
And can you document any of this?

This story is rife with untruths, half-truths, and some truths.
The last thing we all want or need is someone trying to spread more of the untruths.
 
Cider said:
There is currently no evidence that he continued to follow him.
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The timeline has suggested it.
That’s why I said:

“He was following T Martin and
apparently he continued to follow”
 
catharina said:
You’re quite correct.
He was told ‘not necessary to follow.’
Other poster inisisted I’d said Z was told to ‘stand down.’
Never happened.

We could simply dismantle the 911 system
if people believe 911 has no authority.
Rather certain that will not happen.
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911 dispatchers have no authority over a citizen. Police officers do, but the dispatchers are not police officers. They are not there, they cannot see what is happening. I would try to listen to a dispatcher, but also, it takes a long time in some areas for police to respond. In the meantime, a lot of bad things can happen.

Citizens are not under the authority of a dispatcher. Should I call the Yellow Cab dispatcher and obey their “orders” too?
 
vz71 said:
Source?

This story is rife with untruths, half-truths, and some truths.
The last thing we all want or need is someone trying to spread more of the untruths.
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No kidding. Can we please just stick to the facts as we know them. Clearly some just want a conviction and aren’t even willing to hear the defenses side. That is not how the justice system works. If you aren’t even willing to hear the defense then you have proven you are prejudiced in this case. We need a fair trial not a lynch mob.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
No, there was a formal neighborhood watch program in place. I belong to such a program. We had to go and listen to a police officer explain what we are charged to do and not to do. We merely patrol our streets with magnetic signs on our car. In our program, we are told specifically NOT to take our weapons with us in the car. I am not sure if everyone obeys this charge, but I do. I take my cell phone with me and if I see anything suspicious, I make a call and leave the area. I do not follow, I do not chase. I do not know if Zimmerman’s neighborhood watch program is under such a charge, not to carry. Even if they are, that is a separate question and has no bearing on this case.

I cannot say if George Zimmerman had a reason to follow Trayvon Martin. I was not there. None of us were. He was told, “You don’t need to do that,” by the dispatcher. Would it have been better had he agreed not to follow Martin? Yes, it would have. That, we all agree on. It is a tragedy that Martin is dead.

I cannot say if Zimmerman was in fear of his life. I was not there. None of us were. I pray that he will get a fair trial, although I can’t see how that will happen.
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It is for these reasons why I advocated against the formation of a “formal” neighborhood watch program where I live. I’ll be damned if I am going to spend time and put myself at risk trying to protect my neighborhood from crime if the police are going to tell me to not to protect myself and not to keep an eye on suspicious people that I see.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
No, there was a formal neighborhood watch program in place. I belong to such a program. We had to go and listen to a police officer explain what we are charged to do and not to do. We merely patrol our streets with magnetic signs on our car. In our program, we are told specifically NOT to take our weapons with us in the car. I am not sure if everyone obeys this charge, but I do. I take my cell phone with me and if I see anything suspicious, I make a call and leave the area. I do not follow, I do not chase. I do not know if Zimmerman’s neighborhood watch program is under such a charge, not to carry. You’ve been trained to comply with the norm. Even if they are, that is a separate question and has no bearing on this case.

I cannot say if George Zimmerman had a reason to follow Trayvon Martin. I was not there. None of us were. He was told, “You don’t need to do that,” by the dispatcher. Would it have been better had he agreed not to follow Martin? Yes, it would have. That, we all agree on. **I would hope so. ** It is a tragedy that Martin is dead.

I cannot say if Zimmerman was in fear of his life. I was not there. None of us were. I pray that he will get a fair trial, although I can’t see how that will happen.
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Calgar said:
The same is true for many people and groups.

Code Pink is a group that will show up and say whatever you tell them to say. As long as your check clears.
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Really. I guess I’ll try to get them to appear at the Republican National Convention in support of the nominee then.

:rolleyes:
 
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