Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

[Jerry_Miah]

You misunderstand the law and you have a problem with your morals. Following someone and asking them a question is not an assault, threat or use of force. Martin attacked Zimmerman without cause and while Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle. Martin struck Zimmerman, broke his nose, and started slamming his head to the pavement. Many prosecutors would call that attempted murder. If you think you can attack someone because they are following you then perhaps you should be in a jail cell. Good luck with your national lynching. The Truth will prevail.

You are simply repeating Zimmerman’s lawyer’s and family’s version, much of which is unproven and some of which is obviously false. There is no proof of a broken nose, and the idea that his head was slammed into pavement is ridiculous, since he was not sent to the hospital and EMT released him after a very brief time.

I don’t understand this kind of vehement stance in defense of the killer, especially using allegations that are not proven or are obviously false. The fact that no charges were made against the killer is yet another disgrace for the Sanford Police and for justice in the USA.

 

[thedavidwilson]

You are simply repeating Zimmerman’s lawyer’s and family’s version, much of which is unproven and some of which is obviously false. There is no proof of a broken nose, and the idea that his head was slammed into pavement is ridiculous, since he was not sent to the hospital and EMT released him after a very brief time.

I don’t understand this kind of vehement stance in defense of the killer, especially using allegations that are not proven or are obviously false. The fact that no charges were made against the killer is yet another disgrace for the Sanford Police and for justice in the USA.

Zimmerman refused to go to the hospital but first aid was given at the scene. How much injury would be required for someone to defend themselves? If someone did not receive immediate brain damage from having their head slammed into the concrete then they cannot defend themselves? No charges were made against Zimmerman because he used lawful force against someone who was slamming his head into the concrete. You are welcome to live in a country like Britain where the victim is prosecuted for defending themselves against someone trying to kill them.

You are trying to construct a vast conspiracy (Zimmerman, Police, witnesses, medical personnel) to support your emotional assertions. The facts will support Zimmerman which is why the local law enforcement are preparing for riots. You need to get on the right side of this issue.

 

[Jerry_Miah]

Zimmerman refused to go to the hospital but first aid was given at the scene. How much injury would be required for someone to defend themselves? If someone did not receive immediate brain damage from having their head slammed into the concrete then they cannot defend themselves? No charges were made against Zimmerman because he used lawful force against someone who was slamming his head into the concrete. You are welcome to live in a country like Britain where the victim is prosecuted for defending themselves against someone trying to kill them.

You are trying to construct a vast conspiracy (Zimmerman, Police, witnesses, medical personnel) to support your emotional assertions. The facts will support Zimmerman which is why the local law enforcement are preparing for riots. You need to get on the right side of this issue.

Zimmerman “refused” to go to the hospital? That’s news. Again, everything you cite is unproven, it is just one unproven side by the lawyer and the family of the killer. But there is a lot of public facts that contradict this. You are the only emotionally repeating an unproven version by the defenders of the killer. You are not a supporter of vigilantism, are you?

A calm look at known, provable facts of the case point to police blunders and misdeeds, a miscarriage of justice. I will remind you that the Chief of Police retired due to his blunders.

We call for charges and, if Zimmerman pleads innocent, a trial. That’s the American way.

Why are you against this going to court?

 

[thedavidwilson]

Zimmerman “refused” to go to the hospital? That’s news. Again, everything you cite is unproven, it is just one unproven side by the lawyer and the family of the killer. But there is a lot of public facts that contradict this. You are the only emotionally repeating an unproven version by the defenders of the killer. You are not a supporter of vigilantism, are you?

A calm look at known, provable facts of the case point to police blunders and misdeeds, a miscarriage of justice. I will remind you that the Chief of Police retired due to his blunders.

We call for charges and, if Zimmerman pleads innocent, a trial. That’s the American way.

Why are you against this going to court?

Who is “We”? The american way is sending things to trial only when there is evidence a crime was committed. I am against this going to court because I am for Justice. I hope you do not end up supporting a riot that destroys neighborhoods and kills even more people. That is where this is heading and the local law enforcement know it and is why they are calling in help. They know what the poverty pimps Shapton/Jackson are capable of.

 

[Corki]

We call for charges and, if Zimmerman pleads innocent, a trial. That’s the American way.

You are skipping a step. After “you” call for charges, someone - such as a grand jury - has to determine if there is reason to go to trial. Trials aren’t convened simply to placate an emotional outcry.

 

[Jerry_Miah]

You are skipping a step. After “you” call for charges, someone - such as a grand jury - has to determine if there is reason to go to trial. Trials aren’t convened simply to placate an emotional outcry.

It was Sanford authorities who skipped steps for unknown reasons. The outcry comes because obviously charges should have been made immediately. The Sanford Police already had a bad reputation and the Chief of Police was forced to resign over the blunders and miscarriage of justice

 

[Corki]

It was Sanford authorities who skipped steps for unknown reasons. The outcry comes because obviously charges should have been made immediately. The Sanford Police already had a bad reputation and the Chief of Police was forced to resign over the blunders and miscarriage of justice

So? You don’t get to skip a step in due process just because you don’t like the cops.

BTW, the chief of police stepped aside voluntarily and temporarily so as to make it easer to do a review of what happened. But again, even if he (the CofP) did something wrong, that doesn’t mean that you automatically get to try the shooter without due process.

I’m not defending Zimmerman but I am strongly suspicious of any cause célèbre being tried in the media “court”.

 

[incense]

I would consider it just as unjust for an innocent man to be jailed as I would a guilty man go free.

I’m still thinking about that one, but I lean more towards it being far more unjust for an innocent man to be jailed than for a guilty man to go free. One is robbed of freedom which he can never get back, the other gets more freedom than he deserves. Our founding fathers thought it better to err on this side too.

From a Catholic perspective, guilt will be expiated in this life or the next. It’s an act of mercy to expiate in this life. If you really want something bad to happen to someone, hope they get away with it in this life and let 'em face God with it on their soul.

 

[incense]

My, my, comparing the demand for arrest and trial of an admitted shooter to the condemnation of our innocent Savior?! On the other hand, if some see a valid comparison here, they should encourage Zimmerman to pick up his cross and follow the example set for him…

Comparing mob cries to a politician willing to do injustice for the sake of “peace”.

God placed a cross in Zimmerman’s hands. Is it the same one you are placing?

 

[thedavidwilson]

It was Sanford authorities who skipped steps for unknown reasons. The outcry comes because obviously charges should have been made immediately. The Sanford Police already had a bad reputation and the Chief of Police was forced to resign over the blunders and miscarriage of justice

So we should charge people with crimes when the evidence does not support it? Are you an Obama campaign volunteer? I think if you are ever in a fender bender you should be arrested for child molestation. Don’t worry, things would be worked out in the trial.

 

[seekerz]

Comparing mob cries to a politician willing to do injustice for the sake of “peace”.

God placed a cross in Zimmerman’s hands. Is it the same one you are placing?

Far as I know, Zimmerman actively pursued this cross, so I have no idea why the complaining now on his behalf.

 

[seekerz]

So we should charge people with crimes when the evidence does not support it? Are you an Obama campaign volunteer? I think if you are ever in a fender bender you should be arrested for child molestation. Don’t worry, things would be worked out in the trial.

A kid is dead who needn’t be if a grown man had minded his business. Is that ‘evidence’ enough for you?

 

[seekerz]

If you really want something bad to happen to someone, hope they get away with it in this life and let 'em face God with it on their soul.

That would hardly be a loving attitude, now would it?

 

[seekerz]

You misunderstand the law and you have a problem with your morals. Following someone and asking them a question is not an assault, threat or use of force. Martin attacked Zimmerman without cause and while Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle. Martin struck Zimmerman, broke his nose, and started slamming his head to the pavement. Many prosecutors would call that attempted murder. If you think you can attack someone because they are following you then perhaps you should be in a jail cell. Good luck with your national lynching. The Truth will prevail.

Which truth? How do you know Zimmerman is telling the truth? And how dare you suggest that Martin had no cause to attack Zimmerman? Is he not also a human being prone to fear of strange armed men running after them in the dark?

 

[seekerz]

Martin NEVER had the grounds for self defense since he was never attacked. Following someone is not attacking them. Asking someone what they are doing there is not an attack. Martin instigated violence against Zimmerman and Zimmerman used force to stop that violence.

And I suppose you were right there watching.

BTW, if the law requires a person being chased by an armed man, to wait to be shot before defending themselves, then the law is truly an a _ _!

 

[seekerz]

Martin DID break the law by breaking Zimmerman’s nose, knocking him on the ground and slamming his head repeatedly into the pavement. The shooting happened AFTER this occurred and was in response to violence perpetrated by Mr. “no_limit_*****” Martin (<–Martin’s Twitter account)

The authorities will declare this is was legitimate self defense because they have the facts and they are calling up law enforcement from outside the community to deal with the inevitable riots.

I guess you’re an expert on Twitter account ownership now… but not one on restraining orders or attacking cops?

 

[seekerz]

Zimmerman refused to go to the hospital but first aid was given at the scene. How much injury would be required for someone to defend themselves? If someone did not receive immediate brain damage from having their head slammed into the concrete then they cannot defend themselves? No charges were made against Zimmerman because he used lawful force against someone who was slamming his head into the concrete. You are welcome to live in a country like Britain where the victim is prosecuted for defending themselves against someone trying to kill them.

You are trying to construct a vast conspiracy (Zimmerman, Police, witnesses, medical personnel) to support your emotional assertions. The facts will support Zimmerman which is why the local law enforcement are preparing for riots. You need to get on the right side of this issue.

And what side would that be? The side where you have to wait for your pursuer to shoot you, then politely ask permission to defend yourself?

We get it - he has a new lawyer, so new defenders can be expected too…when can we expect the new version of events?

 

[seekerz]

You are skipping a step. After “you” call for charges, someone - such as a grand jury - has to determine if there is reason to go to trial. Trials aren’t convened simply to placate an emotional outcry.

No, the police/prosecutor’s office skipped the first step: there was no need for a grand jury to decide that a dead unarmed kid who had been chased down by his shooter, necessitated charges.

 

[seekerz]

Who is “We”? The american way is sending things to trial only when there is evidence a crime was committed. I am against this going to court because I am for Justice. I hope you do not end up supporting a riot that destroys neighborhoods and kills even more people. That is where this is heading and the local law enforcement know it and is why they are calling in help. They know what the poverty pimps Shapton/Jackson are capable of.

The only one I hear talking of riots is you.

 

[thedavidwilson]

Which truth? How do you know Zimmerman is telling the truth? And how dare you suggest that Martin had no cause to attack Zimmerman? Is he not also a human being prone to fear of strange armed men running after them in the dark?

1. Truth based on witness statements, actions of police, statements of the only witness to the entire event (zimmerman), 911 tapes, reported injuries on zimmerman, injuries on Martin (shot in chest not back), evidence of Martin’s character (no_limit_***** on twitter).
2. Martin did not have cause to attack zimmerman, that is if you believe in a civilized society. I cannot attack someone who is following me or asks me a question. When Martin had the chance to run he did not, nor did he call the police. He turned around and attacked Zimmerman, that is unless you think Zimmerman caused his own injuries, or perhaps the corrput police officers caused the injuries to frame poor Trayvon.
3. As is apparent in the reported phone call to his girlfriend he was not afraid. Sounds like he was confrontational. His girlfriend told him to get away, he did not. Even if he was afraid he could not lawfully attack Zimmerman until some violence was perpetrated on him. Martin was the first and only individual in this situation to perpetrate violence. Zimmerman responded to that violence using the tool he had available.

Lesson here don’t attack someone for following you, looking at you or asking you a question. That is if you are not a thug.