Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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JMJSHJ said:
Except for those other groups, they didn’t shoot up a car and threaten violence. If I was in charge, every one of them that broke the law(s) would be put in jail.
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Can someone be jailed for hate speech?
 
seekerz said:
News flash: websites, unless they belong to reputable new organizations, generally are set up to promote the opinion of the person/people who own them.

I’m guessing the use of words like “moron” to describe people with a different opinion, is not included in that “behavior code” I referenced in my previous post.

Pardon me, but your slip is showing…
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So you share the opinion of people who call for vigilante killing of others?

I think anyone who calls for such things to be morons.
 
Dawnia said:
So you share the opinion of people who call for vigilante killing of others?

I think anyone who calls for such things to be morons.
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Sorry, I didn’t read the ‘calling for death part’ in your posts. I agree that that would be moronic. I was responding to this:
Maybe you should direct your contempt towards the media who seems to only asking blacks for their opinion on this case
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JMJSHJ said:
Relevance to the topic/thread at hand?
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The relevance is that the shooters (in the police car incident) have not been identified and the only threat I’m aware of is one offering money for Zimmerman’s arrest, in the context of some mindless blather about race. So, the only ‘offenses’ I’m aware of would qualify as hate speech.
 
catharina said:
Based on what he said,
you have concluded:
“Unless he has apologized recently, he doesn’t plan to ever do it.”

Your “conclusion” is equal to ONE opinion.
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Is it reasonable to assume that Sharpton, who has never “admitted a mistake” or apologized for case will do so, 25 years after the fact (for the Brawley case)?

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i think it is strange the trayvon’s mom said she thought it was an accident, but today comes out with a different story.
 
SwizzleStick said:
Again, this is just an opinion because we don’t know that Zimmerman did not heed the dispatcher.

"Priest’s perspective on Trayvon Martin case
By Matt C. Abbott

I asked Father Angel Sotelo, a priest of the Catholic Diocese of Fresno, for his perspective on the Trayvon Martin tragedy.

Father Sotelo’s comments are as follows:

[Regarding] the Trayvon Martin case, I would step back from the racial tension and look at how this started. Basically, the 911 dispatcher was right to ask in so many words, ‘Are you, George Zimmerman, a private citizen, not a police officer, walking around that neighborhood with a loaded firearm, following an African-American youth who has not harmed you or even threatened to harm you?’ When Zimmerman responded yes, he should have heeded the advice that followed, ‘You don’t need to be doing that.’"…

Blue excerpt from: renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/120328
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I can’t keep up with all these threads. It seems like 50 pages have turned up in a couple days. It’s overwhelming to read.

I liked most of this priest’s commentary, especially this:
The facts are not in, and people should examine once again whether it is fair or Christian to try either of these men in the court of public opinion. But what has been established clearly exposes the actions of George Zimmerman as the cause of the tragedy that ensued. We need to allow professionally trained and responsible officers of the law to enforce the law, when and if the law is broken.
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Since the start of the first thread, there has been too many opinion “convictions” of both Martin and Zimmerman, which I have always felt was wrong and unfair of either one. I’ve also always felt, as many here do, that the media did a lot to persuade a certain opinion depending on that media outlet’s political stance. We do know for certain that Zimmerman killed Martin and his unwise decisions/actions more than likely precipitated the young man’s tragic death. But the facts as to what ensued is not completely clear yet and I hope that these will come into the clear once the trial begins since Zimmerman has now been charged with 2nd degree murder.

As I mentioned in a previous thread, I still wish that those who are making a huge noise about this would do the same for murders that happen almost every day in areas where the kids/young men or women are just considered lost causes, so not much is done to either catch or punish the perpetrators. The same with those who have turned it into a race issue, no matter what the colors of the people involved, I wish more outrage was made similar to what occurred in the Martin/Zimmerman case.

On a side note, having read some of the posts regarding the clothing of Martin… I was laughing to myself last night. It was dusk, drizzling and here I was wearing a grey hoodie with the hood up on my head to block the drizzle. I am extremely pregnant… basically I look like I’m carrying a basketball in my stomach-region and I laughed to myself, “I wonder if anyone is assuming that I’m a pregnant gangsta.” Of course, Martin’s death is completely tragic and no laughing matter. I can understand being wary of strangers and suspicious activity (which I think authorities need to clearly define, which they don’t seem to do) especially when you’ve had burglaries and other crime in your area, but to base it on clothing is absolutely ridiculous.
 
7_Sorrows said:
i think it is strange the trayvon’s mom said she thought it was an accident, but today comes out with a different story.
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Stranger than Zimmerman’s dad/brother telling stories that differ from that of his attorneys? She wasn’t there, so unless he whispered to her in her dreams, nothing she says is relevant to the case. I think it’s generous of her to allow that this was perhaps simply a bad decision that got out of hand; it’s kind of what I think too, and I wasn’t there either.
 
seekerz said:
…I think it’s generous of her to allow that this was perhaps simply a bad decision that got out of hand; it’s kind of what I think too, and I wasn’t there either.
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That is what I think too, though that is just my opinion without knowing all the facts, obviously.
 
seekerz said:
Stranger than Zimmerman’s dad/brother telling stories that differ from that of his attorneys? She wasn’t there, so unless he whispered to her in her dreams, nothing she says is relevant to the case. I think it’s generous of her to allow that this was perhaps simply a bad decision that got out of hand; it’s kind of what I think too, and I wasn’t there either.
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no, but the prosecuting attorneys have just brought charges against zimmerman. how does it sound for the mother of the victim to say she thinks it was an accident? she wasn’t there. i think because of the media, because of the new black panthers and because of people like al sharpton and jesse jackson, the whole episode has gotten out of hand.
 
7_Sorrows said:
no, but the prosecuting attorneys have just brought charges against zimmerman. how does it sound for the mother of the victim to say she thinks it was an accident?
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It is odd, considering that the states attorney brought murder 2 charges

even odder considering she is on video standing next to people claiming he was “hunted down like a rabid dog” without any comment from her on those claims.
 
It seemed clear to me how it was going to go down. Zimmerman got on the governments radar screen. The prosecutors had to charge with something, they have political masters to satisfy, so they overcharge. They hope for a plea deal. The government can claim victory and go home. This has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with politics now.

If Zimmerman is obdurate, he will face high legal expenses for which he will never be compensated nor will he get a “gee were sorry” even if he wins. Being the government, they never have to say they’re sorry. He has to remember after the state gets done raking him over the coals it will be the feds turn. Regardless, Zimmerman is now toast and too bad he got caught up in a mess of his own making.

It is a modern day tragedy for all involved especially Martin he is dead but, nothing really left to do but sit back and watch the show.
 
seekerz said:
Sorry, I didn’t read the ‘calling for death part’ in your posts. I agree that that would be moronic. I was responding to this:
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No problem. I figured there was a disconnect somewhere. This thread has been going so fast, it’s hard to keep up. 😃

The line you were referencing directly relates to those calling for Zimmerman’s death. I really wish the media would just ignore people like that, but they don’t. Instead of publicizing the reasonable responses to this tragedy, they seek out the people with the most extreme responses and run with it. Yahoo News who did the interview with Tyson pulled the article shortly after putting it up. It just amazes me that they would have put it up in the first place.:nope:
 
Calgar said:
Yeah, the gubment will protect you. Just put your trust in them. :rolleyes:.
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Government. I do not think the use of black phonetic spelling will help in easing the charge that this is a racial issue. We should be sensisitive to others.
 
Calgar said:
What civil suit? Doesn’t Florida law prevent civil suits in self-defense shootings?
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There is a provision in their law where a judge finds, in a separate ruling, that this was a case of self defense and civil action is then barred. However, we might see the possibility that this law is challenged based not on the actions of Zimmerman during the conflict, but rather his initial pursuit that initiated the chain of events. Realize that even if Zimmerman is found not guilty, so also is Martin not guilty of any wrong-doing. So what are we to say? It was an accident? If so, in such cases, the reckless conduct that led to this accident might be open to civil suit even if it requires a challenge to Florida law. Remember, even federal law, like Obamacare, is subject to judicial review.

On this, we could use a lawyer’s (name removed by moderator)ut. On the self-defense issue, I think it would be good to hear from someone in Florida. A clerk* there* probably knows more than a lawyer elsewhere.
 
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