Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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catharina said:
Zimmerman was there.
He said HE had a gun,
and that the child didn’t have one.
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And that puts you at the scene? You know all the intricacies of what took place. Maybe he should be put in prison immediately- no need for further information from the witnesses.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Really and where are all those legal provisions from FLA? This is YOUR OPINION.
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I quoted the provisions I found that applied in the situation, verbatim, and sourced them. Present your own citations from law if you don’t like it. Or don’t. There’s no law against arguing from an unsubstantiated position.
Until then cherry picking what you you think is relevant does zip for me.
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When you can’t pound the law, pound the table. Good luck with that.
Its an attrocity there in that county. Its that not self evident it is to the rest of the world.
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Emotional outbursts and calumny do not a legal argument make.
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GaryTaylor said:
He had a concealed weapon, and a record to boot. Which means he should not have had a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
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The law says he had the right to a permit to carry concealed. Your argument seems to have nothing to do with the law and everything to do with personal feelings.
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GaryTaylor said:
Your assuming he had a firearm out and telling a man to HALT. Only a fool would not stop. Or possibly someone with a death wish.

He had a concealed weapon, and a record to boot. Which means he should not have had a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
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Huh? You are reading into the post. Try reading it again.
 
catharina said:
… and a GUN.
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Actually, the account give was that Mr. Martin went for Mr. Zimmerman’s gun after assaulting him and then bashing his skull against the concrete. We may get more information at some point about whether the gun was out at this time or whether Mr. Martin attempted to draw it from Mr. Zimmerman’s holster after committing aggravated assault against Mr. Zimmerman.

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mlund said:
I quoted them, verbatim, and sourced them. Present your own citations from law if you don’t like it. Or don’t. There’s no law against arguing from an unsubstantiated position.

When you can’t pound the law, pound the table. Good luck with that.

Emotional outbursts and calumny do not a legal argument make.
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We have your bias opinion and incorrect opinion on fear, which I notice you had no response to. Thanks for sharing, I disagree.

I agree with the MAJORITY of the USA the man should have been arrested. Period. Then court could have decided Seff Defense as a defense arguement, thats why its in the law Book. Not for the police to decide.

Do you have a law degree? Post your card then. We’ll call you Next Time.
 
johnnyjones said:
And that puts you at the scene? You know all the intricacies of what took place. Maybe he should be put in prison immediately- no need for further information from the witnesses.
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Georgie was there.
He admits that he shot an unarmed child whom he had deemed “suspicious.”

Now you don’t believe George? Odd.
 
GaryTaylor said:
We have your bias opinion and incorrect opinion on fear, which I notice you had no response to.
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I have the law, cited. You have your opinion, for whatever that’s worth.
I adree with the MAJORITY of the USA the man should have been arrested. Period.
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Thankfully, in a rule of law the ignorance of the masses informed by the media is not a substitute for law.
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catharina said:
Georgie was there.
He admits that he shot an unarmed child whom he had deemed “suspicious.”

Now you don’t believe George? Odd.
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No, George shot a 6’3" person who punched him in the face and was slamming his head in the concrete…if you believe the witnesses and police report.
 
mlund said:
Actually, the account give was that Mr. Martin went for Mr. Zimmerman’s gun after assaulting him and then bashing his skull against the concrete. We may get more information at some point about whether the gun was out at this time or whether Mr. Martin attempted to draw it from Mr. Zimmerman’s holster after committing aggravated assault against Mr. Zimmerman.

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Thanks for weighing in, Aggravated assault equates to Homicide but in your mind. The man had no clue of what he was doing and should NOT have been in the situation with a concealed weapon and a record. Obviously. Thats why theres a Homicide least we forget. Because a fool was playing hero.

But hey we’ll see in court
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
No, George shot a 6’3" person who punched him in the face and was slamming his head in the concrete…if you believe the witnesses and police report.
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… and that person was a child.
He died as a child.
Georgie outweighed him by 50 to 100 lbs.

George killed a CHILD.
No dispute about that fact.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
No, George shot a 6’3" person who punched him in the face and was slamming his head in the concrete…if you believe the witnesses and police report.
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Georgie FOLLOWED this child despite 911’s advice to stay away.
Georgie made some VERY poor choices - then he killed a child, a horrific choice.
 
Lets see we have a child who made a bad choice, and a man with a gun who made several? Tough to figure out.
 
GaryTaylor said:
TThe man had no clue of what he was doing and should NOT have been in the situation with a concealed weapon and a record.
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Again, your opinions and the law diverge so wildly. Having no felony record and having a concealed carry permit Mr. Zimmerman was within his legal rights to carry his firearm.
Obviously. Thats why theres a Homicide least we forget. Because a fool was playing hero.
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Fool or not, it was in no way illegal for Mr. Zimmerman to be where he was, carrying his licensed firearm.

According to the body of evidence presented, it was illegal for Mr. Martin to commit the aggravated assault that lead to his death.
But hey we’ll see in court
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Depending on how political the process becomes, “see in court” will probably result in a failed attempt at indictment followed by another round of media sensationalism unless new evidence is introduced.

Unless you ascribe to a theory that the local police, county police, and D.A.'s office were all in cahoots to bury this thing.
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