Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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Acting like “he was on drugs” is a deduction, i.e.it happens in one’s mind. No behavior was referenced to explain why he came to that conclusion inside his mind.
Yeah, a deduction that is made routinely by people who call 911. You don’t need a certified shrink or drug expert standing next to you when making typical human observations. Your really reaching. What do think the word “suspicious” means? As I said , your playing the mind reading game (of Zimmerman) and that does nothing to support your view.
 
Vigilantism is what we are talking about, vigilantism.

A lot of this speculation ignores the fact that Zimmerman has a violent past, so bad as to attack a police officer. Someone like that should never be allowed to carry a gun on the street, never mind be volunteer security. It’s all ridiculous.

Put the spotlight on the shooter. Zimmerman should be in jail on $1M bail awaiting trial.
 
Vigilantism is what we are talking about, vigilantism.

A lot of this speculation ignores the fact that Zimmerman has a violent past, so bad as to attack a police officer. Someone like that should never be allowed to carry a gun on the street, never mind be volunteer security. It’s all ridiculous.

Put the spotlight on the shooter. Zimmerman should be in jail on $1M bail awaiting trial.
No he shouldn’t. This is nonsense.
 
Vigilantism is what we are talking about, vigilantism.

A lot of this speculation ignores the fact that Zimmerman has a violent past, so bad as to attack a police officer. Someone like that should never be allowed to carry a gun on the street, never mind be volunteer security. It’s all ridiculous.

Put the spotlight on the shooter. Zimmerman should be in jail on $1M bail awaiting trial.
How about you back up what you claimed?

I still want to see the link to Martin’s 911 call.
 
Evidence suggests otherwise so far. Trayvon was 6 foot 4 zimmerman 5’ 10.
Trayvon also had trouble with the law beforehand. Gotta trust the law on this.:cool:
 
true. easter joy was wondering though about oregon, so i gave her a link. apparently no retreat in oregon either.
I understand, everyone really should know exactly what laws apply to you in your area in this regard. Thats my own opinion though. 🙂
 
Yeah, a deduction that is made routinely by people who call 911. You don’t need a certified shrink or drug expert standing next to you when making typical human observations. Your really reaching. What do think the word “suspicious” means? As I said , your playing the mind reading game (of Zimmerman) and that does nothing to support your view.
I’m not playing mind games, labeling someone suspicious - without supporting behavior = a mind game.
 
I’m not playing mind games, labeling someone suspicious - without supporting behavior = a mind game.
Without supporting behavior that you know of.

All anyone has heard is the 911 call. No one knows what his statement to the police, while in custody was.
 
How about you back up what you claimed?

I still want to see the link to Martin’s 911 call.
Excuse me, how about you answer any other of the points? Is America 2012 a place where a judge’s kid gets to carry a gun despite a violent past of attacking a police offer, and then doesn’t even get charged when he kills a kid? Vigilantism is what we are talking about.

I said Miller apparently called 911. This was reported early on here abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399&syndicate=syndicate%A7ion but has since been pulled. See more here examiner.com/us-headlines-in-national/reports-trayvon-martin-called-911-pulled-from-the-internet-are-they-false

One more point: Aren’t gated communities known for being quiet and lacking in serious crime? Isn’t that why they are gated? I doubt there was any violent street crime in this gated community. Zimmerman sounds like a guy with issues (attacking a police officer, domestic abuse), a guy sick in the head who never should have been allowed to have a gun on the street or be in any kind of policing position.
 
Nonsense??

A human being is dead because a man had a dream - a picture in his head of what ‘suspicious’ looks like!
Oh I’m sorry, I wasn’t aware you were an eye witness of what Zimmerman was looking at.
 
Evidence suggests otherwise so far. Trayvon was 6 foot 4 zimmerman 5’ 10.
Trayvon also had trouble with the law beforehand. Gotta trust the law on this.
Zimmerman attacked a cop in the past! Miller had nothing like that in his past. Get real.

Zimmerman’s father is a state supreme court judge. Sounds like that might be what got him off.
 
Without supporting behavior that you know of.

All anyone has heard is the 911 call. No one knows what his statement to the police, while in custody was.
Without supporting behavior, period. He gave his story to numerous people and never described suspicious behavior. It can’t appear out of nowhere at this stage…well, it can I guess, but it won’t fly.
 
Oh I’m sorry, I wasn’t aware you were an eye witness of what Zimmerman was looking at.
Does Zimmerman have a working tongue? Did he relate what happened? If the answer to both is yes, then why do I need to be an eye witness?
 
Excuse me, how about you answer any other of the points? Is America 2012 a place where a judge’s kid gets to carry a gun despite a violent past of attacking a police offer, and then doesn’t even get charged when he kills a kid? Vigilantism is what we are talking about.
Thank you.
 
I’m not playing mind games, labeling someone suspicious - without supporting behavior = a mind game.
Tell me what Z needed to do to bring about “supporting behavior”. You might want to listen to the conversation again between Z and the operator, more is said. Your devising every iota of non typical 911 calls possible to create a scenario that says > AH HA, Zimmerman is wrong.
 
Thats what he said, but the Shoot First Defense is whats being used in court. Well have to see how it plays out.
YOur post, and the title of this thread (probably because that is how it is labelled in the new article, is misleading and inaccurate.

It is not “Shoot First”. It is “Stand Your Ground”. The law does not promote vigilantism or gunfights at the OK Corral. It simply means that you have a right to be safe in your person wherever you are, rather like a portable Castle Doctrine, in essence saying that your skin is your castle and you do not have a duty (obligation) to retreat from a threat. Now, it may be advisable, it may be pragmatic, or it may be safer to retreat from a threat if that is the course of action that saves your life without taking another one. However, sometimes is it just not possible.

What I have not seen anyone address is the apparent evidence that Martin was trying to get Zimmerman’s gun. As I’ve maintained, all this needs to be sorted out by the legal system, and I am sure that Zimmerman will claim that they were fighting over Zimmerman’s gun when Zimmerman shot Trayvon. If it is decided that this is a reasonable and substantiated claim, backed by evidence (Trayvon’s fingerprints on the gun slide, the fact that the firing mechanism didn’t cycle, etc…) then this will be a legitimate case of self-defense, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the altercation.

What really needs to happen is for members of Congress to shut the heck up and stop stoking the fires of racial animus. Calling Zimmerman an animal, saying Trayvon was “stalked and shot like a dog in the street” is uncalled for and patently untrue, based on what is already publicly known.
 
6’4? This guy grows every day. Whats this kids size? I heard he was 6’2 and weighed 140lbs soaking wet. :shrug.

Zimmerman was what 5’9 and 250, ten years older, block watch “captain” and had a 9MM?

What are the “real” facts with all this?
 
Tell me what Z needed to do to bring about “supporting behavior”. You might want to listen to the conversation again between Z and the operator, more is said. Your devising every iota of non typical 911 calls possible to create a scenario that says > AH HA, Zimmerman is wrong.
Oh, I’m not that complicated or devious. I read, I listen, I type. In neither of those activities has a description of ANY suspicious BEHAVIOR by Trayvon, manifested. Ergo, it did not happen.
 
Zimmerman attacked a cop in the past! Miller had nothing like that in his past. Get real.

Zimmerman’s father is a state supreme court judge. Sounds like that might be what got him off.
His name is Martin.

His father WAS a judge in another state.

Please, check your facts, I can’t do it for you.
 
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