Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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seekerz said:
A man asking children to help him with a dog is a red flag and certainly suspicious behavior.

OTOH, I have no idea what ‘acting like you’re on drugs’ looks like.
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Zimmerman did, apparently its different than acting normal. Just a guess though.
 
Bocephus said:
Zimmerman did, apparently its different than acting normal. Just a guess though.
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So he reported and followed someone based on an idea in his head. Isn’t that the point (of mine) that we started at?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Its too late. Unless we start to replace these lifelong career politicians with new, fresh blood, nothing will ever change. That is why I am a member of GOOOH.
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what is goooh? get out of here? 🙂

edit: oh, i just googled… i was close! 😃
 
seekerz said:
So he reported and followed someone based on an idea in his head. Isn’t that the point (of mine) that we started at?
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I’m pretty sure acting like your on drugs and suspicious requires more than just an idea.

I mean, unles you got a secondary motive and really want to push the racist argument all we can do is give the man the benefit of the doubt and presume his innocence until a trial proves him guilty. Until then, your free to believe whatever ideas that are in your head you want.
 
Jerry_Miah said:
We ARE in the process of asking the State Attorney, who apparently was the one who decided to free Zimmerman, overriding the investigating officer who wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.

This isn’t being “stirred”, this is an obvious miscarriage of justice and serious official irresponsibility (allowing a guy with violence issues to patrol with a gun) and of possible cronyism (judge dad and state attorney).

What motivates you to not want a jury trial in such a case?
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Ummm, I do want a jury trial. I just want the racial aggitators to shut up and let the process work. Of course, all the stuff about his father is going to be used to stoke even more racial hatred if he is acquitted by a jury of his peers. I think the whole situation may have gotten to the point where Zimmerman can’t get a fair trial, which is a miscarriage of justice for everyone.
 
Bocephus said:
I’m pretty sure acting like your on drugs and suspicious requires more than just an idea.

I mean, unles you got a secondary motive and really want to push the racist argument all we can do is give the man the benefit of the doubt and presume his innocence until a trial proves him guilty. Until then, your free to believe whatever ideas that are in your head you want.
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Can I kindly request my fellow posters to stop ascribing racist arguments to me? I have made my stance on racism and racial profiling very clear as well as the fact that I don’t accuse Zimmerman of being racist. If that’s not clear, then it’s really too bad, because a child’s life is more important that what people think that other people think about them.

I believe what Zimmerman communicated: he had the impression (in his head) that Martin was suspicious.
Thank you Soledad O’Brien; your guest just validated my stance: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE RACIST TO RACIALLY PROFILE.*
 
jen_fla said:
jerry, you are new around here, so first i’d like to say welcome to caf!

second i’d like to say that if you are going to post facts the burden is on you to provide sources. there is no evidence that trayvon ever called 911. it looks like someone made a mistake and that is why some articles were pulled.

don’t you think that if there was a tape, we’d hear it given how much the media has been playing zimmerman’s call over and over?

as to the rest of your post why should anyone answer it when you haven’t proved that this was a case of vigilantism. where is your proof? are you 100% sure that george didn’t calmly ask trayvon what he was up to and that that ticked him off so he went and attacked george?
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Hi, thanks. I already addressed the 911 call above. My case for vigilantism or serious manslaughter is the preponderance of evidence I also already listed, to summarize: Zimmerman, a guy with violent past (attack on a cop, domestic violence) is walking around on volunteer patrol with a gun and kills a 17 year old in a gated community (not exactly a place of high street crime). The lawyer apparently lies that Zimmerman was seriously injured somehow (video and time evidence indicates otherwise). Add to the fact that a guy like that should never get a concealed gun permit or be allowed in that position, and you get voluntary manslaughter at least and vigilantism at worst.
 
seekerz said:
Been there, done that…didn’t work for the dead child or his parents. May work this time, but nobody’s holding their breath…
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Okay, so lets just round us up a posse, gather up that filthy varmint, and string him up at sundown from the tallest tree.
 
seekerz said:
Then will a call for simple justice be deemed reasonable?
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Sure. I assume that you mean justice as in: He is brought to trial if a grand jury deems it proper, and that the results of the trial be taken for what they are, including the civil wrongful death suit.

So, if he is acquitted in the criminal trial AND he is found not responsible in a civil trial, you will accept that as justice, right?
 
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