Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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So you won’t be happy till…?
Oh, I’m happy now. Happy that the blood of at least three ethnic groups flow in my veins without causing me any discomfort whatsoever. Happy that I don’t have to resort to placating one stream so that the other can flow, or to exaggerating the reasonable demands of one stream so as to invalidate said demands. I’m happy about a lot of things actually, including the fact that the God who created all races loves them each equally.
 
Sure. I assume that you mean justice as in: He is brought to trial if a grand jury deems it proper, and that the results of the trial be taken for what they are, including the civil wrongful death suit.

So, if he is acquitted in the criminal trial AND he is found not responsible in a civil trial, you will accept that as justice, right?
Is there more than one definition of justice? How does that work?
 
Is there more than one definition of justice? How does that work?
That would be a rational, impartial definition of justice. However, there are some out there, prancing around the halls of the US Capital, addressing the Chamber of the House, who will not be satisfied until George Zimmerman placed on the headsman’s block.

I sincerely, and I am not being polemic or rhetorical, sincerely believe that if Zimmerman is not found guilty of SOMETHING, then there will be race riots on a grander and broader scale than the Rodney King riots of LA.
 
Oh, I’m happy now. Happy that the blood of at least three ethnic groups flow in my veins without causing me any discomfort whatsoever. Happy that I don’t have to resort to placating one stream so that the other can flow, or to exaggerating the reasonable demands of one stream so as to invalidate said demands. I’m happy about a lot of things actually, including the fact that the God who created all races loves them each equally.
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Honestly Scott, I expected a different genre of discourse from you.
Ya, its been a rough week. :o Sometimes I get testy when I read or watch the complete irrationality of some people in this case. I don’t mean you, I mean, in general.
 
Oh, I’m not that complicated or devious. I read, I listen, I type. In neither of those activities has a description of ANY suspicious BEHAVIOR by Trayvon, manifested. Ergo, it did not happen.
So the only way you can make a 911 call and report weird behavior is if someone else is there with you and/or sees it? Fantasy land. One person reporting it in a court of law holds up. . I know.
 
That would be a rational, impartial definition of justice. However, there are some out there, prancing around the halls of the US Capital, addressing the Chamber of the House, who will not be satisfied until George Zimmerman placed on the headsman’s block.

I sincerely, and I am not being polemic or rhetorical, sincerely believe that if Zimmerman is not found guilty of SOMETHING, then there will be race riots on a grander and broader scale than the Rodney King riots of LA.
Let’s just say I have a higher expectation of people. There are (and always have been) extremists on every side of an issue. All that matters in this specific case, is that the parents get justice for their son. The rest, we’re grown up enough - generally speaking - to deal with.
 
So the only way you can make a 911 call and report weird behavior is if someone else is there with you and/or sees it? Fantasy land. One person reporting it in a court of law holds up. . I know.
If you’re going to paraphrase, please do me the kindness of paraphrasing accurately. Again, a suspicious person was reported, with no accompanying suspicious behavior related. Those are facts which speak for themselves.
 
Ya, its been a rough week. :o Sometimes I get testy when I read or watch the complete irrationality of some people in this case. I don’t mean you, I mean, in general.
Already forgiven. Tried to delete but wasn’t fast enough, obviously. 🙂
 
Let’s just say I have a higher expectation of people. There are (and always have been) extremists on every side of an issue. All that matters in this specific case, is that the parents get justice for their son. The rest, we’re grown up enough - generally speaking - to deal with.
This is an example of what I am talking about:

“If George Zimmerman is not arrested in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin soon, theRev. Al Sharpton will call for an escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions.”

articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-30/news/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-al-sharpton-20120330_1_civil-disobedience-national-action-network-national-association

“I will speak about how the National Action Network will move to the next level if Zimmerman isn’t arrested,” Sharpton said, who founded the organization. He added that it was the Martin family and lawyers who first asked him to get involved and nationalize this story.
 
Okay friends, gotta say goodnight here. I’m thinking as long as we’re trying to talk to each other, it’s gonna be fine in the end. There’s no us against them, not really; it just seems that way when we forget who Daddy is and how large His family extends.
 
We don’t know that he knew a strange man was following. We know that his girlfriend is claiming that, but we know nothing about was really said. We do know that as of yesterday, the girlfriend had not gone to the police to make a statement.

Wouldn’t you, if you were on the phone with someone that died, call the police right away??? Or would you wait a month, then only talk to the family’s attorney???
Maybe the girlfriend is waiting to sign for a book deal?
 
Guilty until proven innocent…

Why do you keep using the emotionally charged word, “child”? It has no bearing in this case, particularly if Zimmerman is claiming self defense.

“Childen” much younger than Trayvon have committed unspeakable acts, including a recent conviction of a 16 year who killed 2 men for no apparent reason, in the same state.

I agree with Seamus L, let reason rule the day. There are enough investigations going on, I hope they are able to find the truth.
What’s really weird is if a 17 year old committed a crime against a 10 year old, eveyrbody and his brother would be talking about the man who inflicted harm against a little kid.
 
Hi, thanks. I already addressed the 911 call above. My case for vigilantism or serious manslaughter is the preponderance of evidence I also already listed, to summarize: Zimmerman, a guy with violent past (attack on a cop, domestic violence) is walking around on volunteer patrol with a gun and kills a 17 year old in a gated community (not exactly a place of high street crime). The lawyer apparently lies that Zimmerman was seriously injured somehow (video and time evidence indicates otherwise). Add to the fact that a guy like that should never get a concealed gun permit or be allowed in that position, and you get voluntary manslaughter at least and vigilantism at worst.
you had made a claim that trayvon had called 911, yet you didn’t have a link to back it up. when asked later you gave an article stating the articles were taken down. if you knew they were taken down, i would have thought you’d have known there was no evidence of a call and would not have stated that there was. maybe you didn’t know they were taken down until after you posted that? 🤷

i’d like to see if zimmerman was convicted or if there are reports with witnesses to his violence. if so, then i agree with you wholeheartedly that he should not have been granted a permit. thing is i believe it’s the FBI that does a back ground check and i really doubt the FBI cares that his dad was a supreme court judge in virginia. maybe that is naive of me, but i can’t see the people who approved his license risking their careers (and taking on liability) for a person they most likely didn’t even know. even if they did know him, it’s still a lot to ask for a favor. again i could totally be wrong.

do you live in florida? let me tell you there is a LOT of crime in gated and non gated communities in the larger metropolitan cites. something that people don’t realize is that in cities up north you can get away without having a car. parking is expensive and there can be additional taxes. it’s not like that in fl. just about everyone has some form of transportation and those that don’t always have a friend that does. criminals get around which is why there is crime in all neighborhoods from rich to poor. look at this map. look at the crimes that were reported just going back to october for zimmerman’s neighborhood. you don’t live there. you can not fault anyone for trying to make their community a safer place.

that video was very blurred. he did have a gash on the back of his head and according to the police report the sfd treated him. did you see the pic?

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9123588&postcount=1034

as far as a broken nose goes, you should maybe go back and read from the last thread on this. to repeat again, i have broken my nose. after i came out of the hospital i had nothing to show for it except a tiny red cut that was under a cm and a few drops of blood on my shirt. small bruise appeared the next day. i think he was injured (maybe he exaggerated how bad it was) but i do believe he was injured.

i like you want justice served. their pasts aside, this boils down to which person put the other ones life in danger first.
 
If you’re going to paraphrase, please do me the kindness of paraphrasing accurately. Again, a suspicious person was reported, with no accompanying suspicious behavior related. Those are facts which speak for themselves.
Why would you think it’s required?
 
I think whats really sad is how black life is disregarded. Trayvon Martins life has hit headline status and importance because he was shot by someone other than his own race. There are black youths shot regularly who don’t get the attention deserved. Every human life is precious.
 
Why would you think it’s required?
seekerz seems to want, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, Zimmerman to make a statement to the press either personally or through his attorney. She wants to know why he thought Martin was on drugs. Why did he think that Martin was acting suspiciously.

Simply saying that someone was acting suspiciously isn’t enough. She wants to know why. Otherwise she doesn’t believe there was any reason for his phone call to 911 (or the non-emergency number) other than racial profiling. Forget the fact that he didn’t seem to know Martin’s race when he first called. Unless he can give concrete reasons, or better yet, have already given those reasons to the police, she believes he was using racial profiling.

And because he was using racial profiling…I am not sure what that means. 🤷
 
seekerz seems to want, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, Zimmerman to make a statement to the press either personally or through his attorney. She wants to know why he thought Martin was on drugs. Why did he think that Martin was acting suspiciously.

Simply saying that someone was acting suspiciously isn’t enough. She wants to know why. Otherwise she doesn’t believe there was any reason for his phone call to 911 (or the non-emergency number) other than racial profiling. Forget the fact that he didn’t seem to know Martin’s race when he first called. Unless he can give concrete reasons, or better yet, have already given those reasons to the police, she believes he was using racial profiling.

And because he was using racial profiling…I am not sure what that means. 🤷
The reason for the suspicious behavior was given… I mean .how many times do you have to say it? As well, when or why is it necessary to have someone standing next to you on phone to corroborate the behavior. You simply report what you see. If someone else sees the behavior that you did , your lucky. Many times thats not the case. It comes down to refusing to believe Zimmerman on the behavior. Thats shows bias towards one view.
 
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