Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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mary_bobo said:
I have not seen this, but will look. This is in sharp contrast to the audio editing of Zimmerman’s call to 911 by NBC. And this is supposed to be a news organization?:mad:
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Yeah, what they did is shameful and borders on the criminal.

From foxnews.com/us/2012/04/02/nbc-launches-internal-probe-over-edited-11-call-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/ :

NBC launches internal probe over edited 911 call in Trayvon Martin shooting
Published April 02, 2012
| FoxNews.com

NBC has launched an internal probe after running an edited version of the 911 call from George Zimmerman – the man who shot and killed Trayvon Martin – that made Zimmerman sound racist.
“We have launched an internal investigation into the editorial process surrounding this particular story,” the network said in a statement to the Washington Post on Monday.
NBC’s “Today” show ran the edited audio of George Zimmerman’s phone call to a police dispatcher in which Zimmerman says: “'This guy looks like he’s up to no good … he looks black.”
But the audio recording in its entirety reveals that Zimmerman did not volunteer the information that Martin was black. Instead, Zimmerman was answering a question from a police dispatcher about the race of the “suspicious person” whom Zimmerman was speaking about.
A transcript of the complete 911 call shows that Zimmerman said, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”
The 911 officer responded saying, “OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?”
“He looks black,” Zimmerman said.
The abridged conversation between Zimmerman and the dispatcher that NBC ran on March 27 has been blasted by media watchdog groups as misleading. Critics have said the edited version was made to suggest that Zimmerman targeted Martin because he was black – an accusation by many that is still under investigation.

Read more: foxnews.com/us/2012/04/02/nbc-launches-internal-probe-over-edited-11-call-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1qufbhJ00
 
L_piperatus said:
I’m glad Z’s head injury is clearly visible on this enhanced video, but I think the media’s questioning in the first place was unethical and yet another example of their efforts to create controversy. If there’s a police report saying that Z had a broken nose and head injury that was treated by the paramedics on the scene, the media should have accepted that report regardless of whether Z’s injuries were visible on the surveillance video.
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Is it inconceivable that the police report would be incorrect?
L_piperatus said:
What was the media trying to achieve here? Were they trying to tell us that the police and the paramedics who gave first aid to Z lied to us??? That he wasn’t really injured and the police and paramedics invented a lie to protect Zimmerman?
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Perhaps… It wouldn’t be as interesting if there was no controversy.
L_piperatus said:
MSNBC allowing Martin’s parents to comment on the basis of the surveillance video, and suggest that Z was not injured, is yet a new low of media bias.
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To be fair, the first video from abc doesn’t appear to show any serious injury to the head. I am curious to know what kind of enhancement measures they used.
 
Apparently MSNBC also broadcasted the misleading, edited phone call:

NBC Investigating Edited 911 Call From Night Trayvon Martin Died
7:51 PM PDT 3/31/2012 by Paul Bond

The “Today” show version made shooter George Zimmerman appear to be engaged in racial profiling.

NBC News said Saturday it is investigating why its Today show broadcast an edited version of the 911 call placed by George Zimmerman the night he shot and killed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.
Both Today and MSNBC have broadcast an edited version of the call, which makes Zimmerman sound as if he were engaged in racial profiling.

Fox News Channel’s Sean Hannity aired the Today segment and excoriated NBC for its editing of the call. He characterized it as an attempt to inflame racial tensions in an already controversial case.
On Friday, THR reported the incident and the Fox video went viral after it was posted on the Drudge Report and several other political sites, such as Real Clear Politics.

Read more: hollywoodreporter.com/news/trayvon-martin-nbc-edited-911-call-george-zimmerman-306574
 
slate said:
Is it inconceivable that the police report would be incorrect?

Perhaps… It wouldn’t be as interesting if there was no controversy.

To be fair, the first video from abc doesn’t appear to show any serious injury to the head. I am curious to know what kind of enhancement measures they used.
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The first video from ABC also edited out the portion that showed a police officer examining GZ’s head.
 
My prayers go out to the family of Trayvon Martin, and I hope a proper investigation and a fair trial are forthcoming for the accused.

First, a gentle question here: Why is the title of this thread “Shoot first” law under scrutiny." Isn’t the law in question actually called “Stand your ground?” Can someone clarify? I just wondered about that. Whatever it’s called, several media pundits have said that it has nothing to do with this case. The law some refer to is about giving homeowners the right to defend themselves before an intruder enters their home. (An older law made it necessary for an intruder to be fully inside the home before the owner could defend him or herself.)

In this tragedy, Trayvon was walking home and Zimmerman over-reacted. He was told not to follow the child. That’s on the recording. The authorities asked “Are you following him?” When Zimmerman replied yes, they said “We need you* not *to do that.”

The death of Trayvon Martin would not have occurred if Zimmerman had waited for the police to come. If Zimmerman had not gone after Travyon, there would not have been any altercation, no scuffle on the ground, no gun going off.

My prayer is that now we will let the law takes its course, investigating all the facts and having a fair trial. We all have a right to our opinions, but we are a nation under the rule of law.
Peace to all,
Kathryn Ann
 
Kathryn_Ann said:
My prayers go out to the family of Trayvon Martin, and I hope a proper investigation and a fair trial are forthcoming for the accused.

First, a gentle question here: Why is the title of this thread “Shoot first” law under scrutiny." Isn’t the law in question actually called “Stand your ground?” Can someone clarify? I just wondered about that. Whatever it’s called, several media pundits have said that it has nothing to do with this case. The law some refer to is about giving homeowners the right to defend themselves before an intruder enters their home. (An older law made it necessary for an intruder to be fully inside the home before the owner could defend him or herself.)

In this tragedy, Trayvon was walking home and Zimmerman over-reacted. He was told not to follow the child. That’s on the recording. The authorities asked “Are you following him?” When Zimmerman replied yes, they said “We need you* not *to do that.”

The death of Trayvon Martin would not have occurred if Zimmerman had waited for the police to come. If Zimmerman had not gone after Travyon, there would not have been any altercation, no scuffle on the ground, no gun going off.

My prayer is that now we will let the law takes its course, investigating all the facts and having a fair trial. We all have a right to our opinions, but we are a nation under the rule of law.
Peace to all,
Kathryn Ann
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That’s assuming there will be a trial. If the Feds come to the same conclusion as the locals, there may not be a trial.🤷
 
Kathryn_Ann said:
My prayers go out to the family of Trayvon Martin, and I hope a proper investigation and a fair trial are forthcoming for the accused.

First, a gentle question here: Why is the title of this thread “Shoot first” law under scrutiny." Isn’t the law in question actually called “Stand your ground?” Can someone clarify? I just wondered about that. Whatever it’s called, several media pundits have said that it has nothing to do with this case. The law some refer to is about giving homeowners the right to defend themselves before an intruder enters their home. (An older law made it necessary for an intruder to be fully inside the home before the owner could defend him or herself.)

In this tragedy, Trayvon was walking home and Zimmerman over-reacted. He was told not to follow the child. That’s on the recording. The authorities asked “Are you following him?” When Zimmerman replied yes, they said “We need you* not *to do that.”

The death of Trayvon Martin would not have occurred if Zimmerman had waited for the police to come. If Zimmerman had not gone after Travyon, there would not have been any altercation, no scuffle on the ground, no gun going off.

My prayer is that now we will let the law takes its course, investigating all the facts and having a fair trial. We all have a right to our opinions, but we are a nation under the rule of law.
Peace to all,
Kathryn Ann
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Copied from a headline that was trying to sensationalize a story. An act repeated by the MSM in the editing of the 911 call, the tape showing GZ going into custody for questioning and many other aspects of this story.
 
Kathryn_Ann said:
My prayers go out to the family of Trayvon Martin, and I hope a proper investigation and a fair trial are forthcoming for the accused.

First, a gentle question here: Why is the title of this thread “Shoot first” law under scrutiny." Isn’t the law in question actually called “Stand your ground?” Can someone clarify? I just wondered about that. Whatever it’s called, several media pundits have said that it has nothing to do with this case. The law some refer to is about giving homeowners the right to defend themselves before an intruder enters their home. (An older law made it necessary for an intruder to be fully inside the home before the owner could defend him or herself.)

In this tragedy, Trayvon was walking home and Zimmerman over-reacted. He was told not to follow the child. That’s on the recording. The authorities asked “Are you following him?” When Zimmerman replied yes, they said “We need you* not *to do that.”

The death of Trayvon Martin would not have occurred if Zimmerman had waited for the police to come. If Zimmerman had not gone after Travyon, there would not have been any altercation, no scuffle on the ground, no gun going off.

My prayer is that now we will let the law takes its course, investigating all the facts and having a fair trial. We all have a right to our opinions, but we are a nation under the rule of law.
Peace to all,
Kathryn Ann
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So Zimmermans at fault for getting his head beat in? Isn’t that a bit like saying a girl shouldn’t have been in a certain neighborhood wearing certain clothing and she wouldn’t have gotten raped. From what I can tell, nobody is certain as to how close George was when they told him not to follow him, so the advice may have came too late to prevent the confrontation. I don’t know, I just don’t feel like condemning a man based on what I think he should have done when I wasn’t there like a lot of other people are doing.
 
SamH said:
The first video from ABC also edited out the portion that showed a police officer examining GZ’s head.
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Oh boy! :mad:

They are really invested in whipping up passions and misleading the public. 😦
 
slate said:
ABC states that GZ is injured in the video…
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Go back to the original “breaking” stories. All ABC said was that GZ had no “visible” injuries.
“A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman,” ABC News reporter Matt Gutman wrote, noting that Zimmerman told police “he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.”
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ABC News reported that Zimmerman appears uninjured in the video. But a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long.
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Read more: newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2012/03/30/did-abc-news-purposely-use-unnecessary-chyron-cover-zimmermans-head-bru?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz1quuLaykO
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I guess they did not actually cut the section of the officer looking at the back of GZ’s head, they just covered the head so you can’t see what the officer is looking at.
 
Bocephus said:
So Zimmermans at fault for getting his head beat in? Isn’t that a bit like saying a girl shouldn’t have been in a certain neighborhood wearing certain clothing and she wouldn’t have gotten raped. From what I can tell, nobody is certain as to how close George was when they told him not to follow him, so the advice may have came too late to prevent the confrontation. I don’t know, I just don’t feel like condemning a man based on what I think he should have done when I wasn’t there like a lot of other people are doing.
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Your analogy is backwards. Trayvon is the victim here. He is dead. Yet Zimmerman had the gun. Who approached whom first? Who decided to do exactly what the authorities said not to do? I stand by what I said: The man was told not to follow the child, and because he approached the child, there was an altercation and we have a tragic death.

Trials depend all the time on recordings, evidence, and common sense.
The jury is not at the scene of the crime or altercation when it occurred, yet they have a right to base their decisions on the facts. They have the right to ask these questions we all ask:

Who was armed?
Who was defenseless?
Who approached whom?
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Young Trayvon Martin was “packing” iced tea and Skittles candy, walking home.*
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Zimmerman chose to follow him, packing a loaded gun. *

Hmmm. Let’s us pause a moment at those facts.

We have to let the courts decide. We each have a right to our opinions.
Peace,
Kathryn Ann
 
Dawnia said:
That’s assuming there will be a trial. If the Feds come to the same conclusion as the locals, there may not be a trial.🤷
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I fear that if there is not a fair court trial, this will be tried in the court of public opinion, and justice will not be done. There was a tragic death here. A young man carrying iced tea and candy was confronted and shot dead by an armed man. I cannot fathom what Trayvon’s family is going through. The powers that be should settle this in a court of law. “You shall not side with the great against the powerless,” might once again guide us here. (David Mamet, The Winslow Boy.) I do believe that the child’s family deserves some answers.
Peace,
Kathryn Ann
 
Kathryn_Ann said:
Your analogy is backwards. Trayvon is the victim here. He is dead. Yet Zimmerman had the gun. Who approached whom first? Who decided to do exactly what the authorities said not to do? I stand by what I said: The man was told not to follow the child, and because he approached the child, there was an altercation and we have a tragic death.
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He did? You know that for sure? Do you have proof? Or is this just was you believe?
Trials depend all the time on recordings, evidence, and common sense.
The jury is not at the scene of the crime or altercation when it occurred, yet they have a right to base their decisions on the facts. They have the right to ask these questions we all ask:
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Who was armed?
Who was defenseless?
Who approached whom?
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I am not sure where you live, but last time I served on a jury, we were not allowed to question witnesses. The attorneys did the questioning and we sat and listened. 🤷
Young Trayvon Martin was “packing” iced tea and Skittles candy, walking home.*
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Zimmerman chose to follow him, packing a loaded gun. *
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Hmmm. Let’s us pause a moment at those facts.
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We have to let the courts decide. We each have a right to our opinions.
Peace,
Kathryn Ann
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Very true. We all have our own opinions.
 
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