Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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“WE?” Please speak for yourself.
Zimmerman found Travon “suspicious”
  • based on nothing at all.
    That has’t changed and it can’t be changed.
Wow, you know that? Were you there? Have you talked to Zimmerman? Have you read the statement he made to the police? You do know that he was questioned for hours. Do you have the transcript of that interview?

Or are you just guessing??
 
Being dead doesn’t turn you into an angel. :o Okay, you know what I mean. Just because he died, doesn’t mean that everyone forgets what he did while here on earth.

Way back on the first thread I mentioned that Obama had a problem with speaking before he knew everything. I joked that it would be bad for him, Obama, if it was later found out that Martin was involved in the break-ins. That hasn’t happened, but we have found out that Martin wasn’t the sweet little boy shown in the picture.
Being dead makes you a human being, like every other imperfect human being in our fallen world.

He was, even at that age, somebody’s sweet baby - even if he wasn’t perfect.

Obama has a problem no matter what he does or fails to do, so let’s leave him out of this.

Even if we found out that Martin was the worst possible human being since creation, that would still not justify an inadequately investigated shooting by a stranger.
 
And this type of info would be used in any prosecution, just as any of Martin’s past actions (if true) would be used by the defense.

Why are people not accepting that this kind of information is important to the overall picture, rather than “they’re trying to impugn a dead child’s reputation!!!”? 🤷
Some people clearly have an agenda of trying to impugn a dead child’s reputation. I posted earlier on how Michelle Malkin took a picture first referenced on Stormfront that was not of Trayvon Martin specifically with an agenda of making him look worse and Zimmerman look better. This picture was not even of Trayvon.

She is not a random poster on the internet. She has an article on National Review, her twitchy site, her picture is always featured (along with Ann Coulter and Thomas Sowell) on TownHall, she is a Fox News Channel contributor and has been a guest on MSNBC, C-SPAN, and national radio programs. Malkin has written four books published by Regnery Publishing. If you read conservative books, she is frequently referenced - perhaps the most frequently. She writes for St. Louis Globe-Democrat…

A lot of the information released on Trayvon Martin was illegal, and we do not have the same information on Zimmerman, since no one has illegally released his information, do we?
 
On the “white Hispanic” thing:

Trayvon Martin: Latino Silence over Zimmerman Draws Fire
Written By Soni Sangha
Published March 30, 2012
Fox News Latino

The shooting death of unarmed African-American teenager Trayvon Martin by a Latino man in Florida has provoked a national discussion about racism, ethnicity, and racial profiling in America—with the media referring to the shooter, George Zimmerman, as a “white Latino,” a term that has been greeted with derision by some.
Now critics are questioning why prominent Latino rights groups have remained on the sidelines of the discussion of race and the case.

Tweets indicate that a number of people are paying attention to his race --and questioning what a “White Latino” is. These discussions, while valid, show how little mainstream America knows about Latinos and minorities, experts say.
Does Race Play a Role Even Though George Zimmerman is not White?
“This is much more complex than simply saying this guy is Hispanic and we (Hispanics) have to defend Hispanics,” said Angelo Falcon, president of the National Institute for Latino Policy. “There is a whole question going on like, ‘Are Hispanics capable of being racist?’ ‘Why are they calling him a white Hispanic?’…

Read more: latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/03/30/trayvon-martin-latino-groups-under-fire-for-silence-over-zimmerman/#ixzz1qc1C35Cr

Well, I can answer pretty easily why they are calling him a white Hispanic. 😉 Because first they called him white, in order to put race-baiting into high gear. But then, as GZ’s photo was released, and he looks at least partly Hispanic, the race-baiters had to do something because continuing to call GZ “white” looked more and more ridiculous - thus the race-baiters came up with this compromise of calling him a “white Hispanic”. 🤷 😛
Race-baiters? Obviously you haven’t taken a close look at the ‘race’ sections of a variety of forms…
 
"Brother: Medical records will prove George Zimmerman’s story

Friday night, CNN’s Soledad O’Brien leads a special town hall event about the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin that has sparked a national dialogue on race and what it says about America. “Beyond Trayvon: Race and Justice in America.” Tune in Friday night at 8 p.m. ET on CNN.

Sanford, Florida (CNN) – George Zimmerman’s brother said medical records will prove that his brother was attacked and his nose was broken by Trayvon Martin before he fatally shot the teen."…

Blue excerpt from: cnn.com/2012/03/30/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
 
Why are people not accepting that this kind of information is important to the overall picture, rather than “they’re trying to impugn a dead child’s reputation!!!”? 🤷
Do you imagine I have said that? I have not.
 
Zimmerman has accused Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend of lying.
abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017#.T3XQJ9Vj6So

However, the girlfriend has produced phone logs that ABC News has also seen that show her communication with Trayvon Martin. myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/trayvon-martin-threatened-to-kill-zimmerman-zimmermans-father-says-03282012
Just to clarify, this interview was with Robert Zimmerman, his father.
 
And this type of info would be used in any prosecution, just as any of Martin’s past actions (if true) would be used by the defense.

Why are people not accepting that this kind of information is important to the overall picture, rather than “they’re trying to impugn a dead child’s reputation!!!”? 🤷
The only relevant information would be a history of violent or aggressive behavior since that is the only untoward behavior that is reported or recorded in this incident. Was Martin involved in violent/aggressive acts? None of the flak I have seen aimed at him, indicates that - therefore it is simply gratuitous smearing of a dead child.
 
Wow, you know that? Were you there? Have you talked to Zimmerman? Have you read the statement he made to the police? You do know that he was questioned for hours. Do you have the transcript of that interview?

Or are you just guessing??
Z told the police that he was viewing a
stranger - the stranger seemd “suspicious” to him.

Then … ?
 
Some people clearly have an agenda of trying to impugn a dead child’s reputation. I posted earlier on how Michelle Malkin took a picture first referenced on Stormfront that was not of Trayvon Martin specifically with an agenda of making him look worse and Zimmerman look better. This picture was not even of Trayvon.

She is not a random poster on the internet. She has an article on National Review, her twitchy site, her picture is always featured (along with Ann Coulter and Thomas Sowell) on TownHall, she is a Fox News Channel contributor and has been a guest on MSNBC, C-SPAN, and national radio programs. Malkin has written four books published by Regnery Publishing. If you read conservative books, she is frequently referenced - perhaps the most frequently. She writes for St. Louis Globe-Democrat…

A lot of the information released on Trayvon Martin was illegal, and we do not have the same information on Zimmerman, since no one has illegally released his information, do we?
I’m aware of that fact, but I wouldn’t say there is any clear motivation on Malkin’s part. I’m not sure how you have came to that conclusion.

There also is the case of the Daily Caller, when Media Matters apologized for charging them with using a fake picture.

Meanwhile, everone from the Tea Party, to Jeb Bush, to Santorum, Gingrich and Romney have been “blamed” for the shooting.
 
Wow, you know that? Were you there? Have you talked to Zimmerman? Have you read the statement he made to the police? You do know that he was questioned for hours. Do you have the transcript of that interview?

Or are you just guessing??
We have 911 calls, we have interviews with friends, father, brother. Nothing has been presented to show that Trayvon was doing anything other than walking and looking around.
 
The only relevant information would be a history of violent or aggressive behavior since that is the only untoward behavior that is reported or recorded in this incident. Was Martin involved in violent/aggressive acts? None of the flak I have seen aimed at him, indicates that - therefore it is simply gratuitous smearing of a dead child.
Google “Trayvon Martin Bus Driver”.

Of course, any untoward past history on Zimmerman’s part is fair game.

Got hypocrisy?
 
I’m aware of that fact, but I wouldn’t say there is any clear motivation on Malkin’s part. I’m not sure how you have came to that conclusion.

There also is the case of the Daily Caller, when Media Matters apologized for charging them with using a fake picture.

Meanwhile, everone from the Tea Party, to Jeb Bush, to Santorum, Gingrich and Romney have been “blamed” for the shooting.
I agree with avoiding rushes to judgment, but seriously, using a picture that originated from Stormfront in such an emotionally charged debate, strains the brakes on my logical processes of deduction to breaking point.
 
I’m aware of that fact, but I wouldn’t say there is any clear motivation on Malkin’s part. I’m not sure how you have came to that conclusion.

There also is the case of the Daily Caller, when Media Matters apologized for charging them with using a fake picture.

Meanwhile, everone from the Tea Party, to Jeb Bush, to Santorum, Gingrich and Romney have been “blamed” for the shooting.
This is complete denial. One could infer that a criticism about the photo used was an attempt to impugn people as there is no other reason to criticize a photo. This is the first case I’ve read about where people are offended that a photo of a dead person makes him look too innocent and need to find another photo that is a better representation of this person so that we will see the case differently. Last I heard, judging based on appearances was wrong.

She admits to her attempt to impugn Trayvon herself. “Because nothing says fair like putting a mugshot looking photo in “county orange” next to a 5 year old picture of the victim as a child. But hey, two can play that game.”

“Recognize these two people? If you don’t, we’ll help you out. The man on the left is George Zimmerman, the man accused of murdering the boy on the right, Trayvon Martin. The mainstream media won’t show you these two photos because they convey a message that no one else wants to take into consideration.”

So she refers to a “message” that is conveyed by the appearances and is out to correct that message.
 
We have 911 calls, we have interviews with friends, father, brother. Nothing has been presented to show that Trayvon was doing anything other than walking and looking around.
Z told the police that he was viewing a
stranger - the stranger seemed “suspicious” to him.

Then … ?
We are not listening to a court of law. Zimmerman is under no obligation to say anything to anyone, but the police. He gave a statement to them, which is more than I can say for Martin’s girlfriend.

The police are also under no obligation to release Zimmerman’s statement.

Sorry, but you don’t have a right to know what he said to the police.
 
Google “Trayvon Martin Bus Driver”.

Of course, any untoward past history on Zimmerman’s part is fair game.

Got hypocrisy?
What I’ve got are lots of unsubstantiated rumors spread by adults who should know better:
  1. Prominent conservative websites published fake photos of Martin. Twitchy, a new website run by prominent conservative blogger Michelle Malkin, promoted a photo — purportedly from Martin’s Facebook page — that shows Martin in saggy pants and flipping the bird. The photo, which spread quickly on conservative websites and Twitter, is intended to paint Martin as a thug. As Twitchy later acknowledged, it is not a photo of Trayvon Martin. [Examiner]
  1. The Sanford Police selectively leaked irrelevant, negative information about Martin. The authorities told the Orlando Sentinel this morning that Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days “after being found with an empty marijuana baggie.” There is no evidence that Martin was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death, nor would prior possession of marijuana be a reason for killing him. It’s unclear what the relevance of the leak was, other than to smear Martin. [Orlando Sentinel]
  1. On Fox News, Geraldo said that Martin was dressed “like a wannabe gangster.” Bill O’Reilly agreed with him. The sole evidence is that Martin was wearing a hoodie. Geraldo added that “everyone that ever stuck up a convenience store” was wearing a hoodie. [ThinkProgress; The Blaze]
  1. Without any evidence, prominent right-wing bloggers suggested that Martin was a drug dealer. Right-wing blogger Dan Riehl advances the theory, also advanced in a widely linked peice on a site called Wagist. There does not appear to be any evidence to support this claim whatsoever. [Riehl World View]
  1. Without any evidence, a right-wing columnist alleged that Martin assaulted a bus driver. Unlike Zimmerman, Trayvon has no documented history of violence. This allegation continues to be advanced by a blogger on the Examiner even after the real reason was leaked to the police and confirmed by the family. [Miami Herald; Examiner]
  1. Zimmerman’s friend says Martin was to blame because he was disrespectful to Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s friend Joe Oliver said that Martin would not have been shot to death if Trayvon had just said “I’m staying with my parents.” Of course, Zimmerman was not a police officer, and Trayvon had no duty to tell him who he was or where he was going. [NBC News]
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I would suggest that everyone involved who has kids, should be thanking God today that the stuff their kids do when they aren’t looking, has never been used to justify their being shot dead.
 
We are not listening to a court of law. Zimmerman is under no obligation to say anything to anyone, but the police. He gave a statement to them, which is more than I can say for Martin’s girlfriend.

The police are also under no obligation to release Zimmerman’s statement.

Sorry, but you don’t have a right to know what he said to the police.
Really, in Florida? I though the law required release of all investigations?

If his parents (or the public) have no right to answers over a child’s loss of right to life, then all are free to say whatever they feel like and I for one will never be silent about it.
 
And he didn’t elaborate on why, so no point in assuming.
Why does Zimmerman’s testimony or lack of it limit our right to say what we feel?

He has a right to be silent and that somehow means we must be? Some people need a more accurate sense of their ‘authority’ over the general public.
 
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