Trent Horn - Does it matter which Christian denomination you belong to?

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benjamindt said:
and this is why it matters. The end result of Protestantism and every protestant theology is every person being their own church and own authority. Not that it was the design, but it is the result. tens of thousands and continue. a new church just popped up down the road. I think it’s called the 5th First Holy Church of Christ Reformed and Illuminated. I’m not joking.
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That is not our teaching , some have intentionally twisted sola scriptura into something it’s not , there is a difference between " Protestant " and heretics who people ( mostly apologists) falsely class as Protestant , you seem to have failed to recognize that difference.
Not trying to be rude ok , just honest .
Keep the faith Ben , Starwars 🙂
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
That is not our teaching , some have intentionally twisted sola scriptura into something it’s not , there is a difference between " Protestant " and heretics who people ( mostly apologists) falsely class as Protestant , you seem to have failed to recognize that difference.
Not trying to be rude ok , just honest .
Keep the faith Ben , Starwars 🙂
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As I stated in my opinion, I recognize that it is not the intention of the protestants, clearly no one builds a church with the intention of splitting again. Every protestant church thinks they are the true and one authority (i would assume) and that there is no other more true option.

The result of the initial division along with the continued teachings obviously has done what no one wanted.

I doubt Luther wanted to see his “church” split into several different branches of its own and have its own little schism/protestant “reformation” within itself.
 
benjamindt said:
I doubt Luther wanted to see his “church” split into several different branches of its own and have its own little schism/protestant “reformation” within itself.
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Based on my minimal studies of Luther, its really hard to say what was going on in his mind at times. I think initially he was sincere about having the Church address some of the abuses going on. Whether he believed he would be successful is another story. But seeing as how he was a Catholic priest himself, which tells me that he believed the CC was the Church Jesus founded, and for him to found a new church which didn’t even resemble the original one once he was done throwing things out, makes me think that he may not have been that devoted to the CC in the first place, jmo.
 
PRmerger said:
You do see what you have just asserted: Protestantism is another heresy, like Gnosticism, Montanism, Arianism.

That is, you are correct here, even though you are unintentionally so.
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Maybe. But I was really addressing your observation that people split from P churches a lot. I agreed and gave two reasonable replies .The secondary one stated that these things also happen in the Catholic Church, and that from her early beginning (though less often but still in a big way).

Blessings
 
benhur said:
Maybe. But I was really addressing your observation that people split from P churches a lot. I agreed and gave two reasonable replies .The secondary one stated that these things also happen in the Catholic Church, and that from her early beginning (though less often but still in a big way).

Blessings
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And it was men who are theologically WRONG who split from the CC, eh?
 
PRmerger said:
And it was men who are theologically WRONG who split from the CC, eh?
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And I would say one leaving a P church is theologically wrong with the church they leave also. So just as anyone who leaves Catholicism is wrong by her, so is anyone leaving a Baptist church wrong by said church.

I would also liken Arians and Gnostics more like our Mormons or JW’s. But what you observed is P splitting over, starting churches over non heretical, non Christological issues. Even we would say like the CC, still brethren. Again, flourishing of this phenomenon is due to restored freedom of conscience, religion and separation of church and state.

Blessings
 
I would like this question posed to the Pope.

Otherwise, I’d say no.
 
outremer said:
I would like this question posed to the Pope.

Otherwise, I’d say no.
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Really?

You believe that it doesn’t matter if someone is in a denomination which says that God hates homosexuals?

Or in a denomination which states that the Epistles of Paul are not inspired?

Or in a denomination which professes that Jesus is the archangel Michael reincarnated?
 
benhur said:
And I would say one leaving a P church is theologically wrong with the church they leave also.
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So Martin Luther was wrong to do what he did?

And that means folks who followed him were wrong as well?
 
benhur said:
And I would say one leaving a P church is theologically wrong with the church they leave also. So just as anyone who leaves Catholicism is wrong by her, so is anyone leaving a Baptist church wrong by said church.

I would also liken Arians and Gnostics more like our Mormons or JW’s. But what you observed is P splitting over, starting churches over non heretical, non Christological issues. Even we would say like the CC, still brethren. Again, flourishing of this phenomenon is due to restored freedom of conscience, religion and separation of church and state.

Blessings
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Yes, and just as the CC had to deal with the Protestant Reformation as a challenge to the validity of Church’s long standing teachings, now the CC and the established Protestant denominations both, must deal with the challenge of the new form of Christianity coming from certain fundamentalist and Pentecostal Christianity groups. Protestant’s especially, may want to reflect on the saying, “what goes around comes around.”
 
JMM1957 said:
Yes, and just as the CC had to deal with the Protestant Reformation as a challenge to the validity of Church’s long standing teachings, now the CC and the established Protestant denominations both, must deal with the challenge of the new form of Christianity coming from certain fundamentalist and Pentecostal Christianity groups. Protestant’s especially, may want to reflect on the saying, “what goes around comes around.”
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True, but the alternative is worse, losing that which was at the beginning, freedom of conscience/religion and separation of church and state. The ability to "split’’ is part of the terrain (as was then in 1st century).
 
benhur said:
Well of course, but only according to the church he “left”
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Well, according to you, too, right?

You just said that you don’t think it’s right for a person to leave the church he belongs to over doctrinal issues.
 
benhur said:
Well of course, but only according to the church he “left”.
Yes,according to the church they left.

Blessings
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Well of course, Luther didn’t think by leaving the CC that he was doing anything “wrong”, he saw himself as doing “right” by reinterpreting Scripture and bringing back the purity of doctrine that supposedly had been lost.
 
PRmerger said:
Really?

You believe that it doesn’t matter if someone is in a denomination which says that God hates homosexuals?

Or in a denomination which states that the Epistles of Paul are not inspired?

Or in a denomination which professes that Jesus is the archangel Michael reincarnated?
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As with everything, there are exceptions to the rules.
 
benhur said:
True, but the alternative is worse, losing that which was at the beginning, freedom of conscience/religion and separation of church and state. The ability to "split’’ is part of the terrain (as was then in 1st century).
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So maintaining these strictly temporal things is more important than spiritual things ?
 
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