Tridentine Mass Attractions

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yankeesouth said:
It would seem that many of them are from older age groups. I guess it is true that Tradition is for the young.
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I’m old and have nothing against Latin. I also saw the tail end of the age of Latin masses before the vernacular became standard.

I think some TLM advocates of today are seeking a return to an idyllic past that really didn’t exist- not like they think it did.
 
Augustinian said:
I think some TLM advocates of today are seeking a return to an idyllic past that really didn’t exist- not like they think it did.
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Nothing, and I do mean nothing could be farther from the truth! The Tridentine Mass is the most beautiful experience one can have on this earth.
 
Some folks on this thread have said TLM is more reverent at this time because of the people that attend it. While the majority of Catholics go to the OF thus there is much more of a chance for the OF to have abuses. There is some truth to that I think. However, I think the main reason that TLM has less chance for abuses are TLM priests. The seminaries that these Latin Mass priests come out of, whether they are FSSP or ICK, are solid, orthodox seminaries. Some of the OF seminaries are less than stellar. They aren’t horrible but they could be oh so much better than they are. With knowledgeable, reverent, liturgically-minded priests come beautiful liturgies. Because, ultimately, the priest is the one who has the final say on what kind of Mass he will say.
 
yankeesouth said:
I’d avoid McD’s. I’d find a nice traditional diner and have traditional burger with real beef! 😀
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I do that when I have time and actually want to spend time eating, as there are a couple diners here.
I lose a tad bit in convenience though as I have to call in an order, get out of the car, deal with the wait staff, etc. and McD’s has a lot of coupon specials like free fries.

I might compromise and go to Wendys, which has better burgers than McD’s and is located right across the street from them, but the food costs more, and no freebies.

I will say this: I recently realized that McD’s breakfast sandwiches beat the pants off Wawa breakfast sandwiches.
 
I was going to say, the OF and the EF have competition in the beauty factor. Stiff competition.
 
Entwhistler said:
With knowledgeable, reverent, liturgically-minded priests come beautiful liturgies. Because, ultimately, the priest is the one who has the final say on what kind of Mass he will say.
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I’ve been going to multiple Masses a week for the past year and one thing that’s totally struck me is how much better all the priests are at the OFs in the two or three dioceses where I go, than they were when I was in my 20s and 30s. It’s not just because I got old, either. I really think that either the priest field has winnowed down to where the quality improved, or else they are actually training these guys better than they did back in the day. I’ve only heard a couple of rambling or annoying homilies, and one of those was from some deacon who decided to preach on social justice. I’ve heard many heartfelt, thoughtful and thought-provoking homilies, and at the school Masses I sometimes attend, the priests make a genuine attempt to teach the children in a kind and priestly way, like when I was little, or better than when I was little. I realize it is not like this everywhere, but I just noticed it because my past experience of priests was really up and down and now it’s mostly up. Maybe we just have good apples where I go.
 
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Or maybe my OF diocese is not great (which it isn’t). Or TLM priests of today are awesome even compared to the EF priests of pre-Vatican II.

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When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Okay, that will probably offend some Eastern folks.
 
I am sure the TLM priests, being a self-selecting crowd, are probably a cut above the average Fr. Joe Catholic doing the 6 am weekday Latin Mass pre-Vatican II. Same goes for the altar servers and such.
From the stories my mom told me about pre-Vatican II Mass, it was not some big reverent event all the time. People dozed off, women used whatever they had (hankies, napkins) for an emergency head covering, the altar servers fumbled occasionally, etc.

The main reason TLMs are so nice now is that everybody there is really invested in being there and acting very reverent, very quiet, very focused, etc. Disturbing elements are not really tolerated in there either. It’s a shape up or get out situation.
 
Having heard people speak so fondly about it, I went to one. I was really looking forward to what I thought would be a special occasion. What a disappointment! I shan’t bother again. I felt that there was a complete lack of connection ; I felt that I might just as well not have been there. Maybe I was unlucky with the particular church. For me the result was that I was immensely grateful that things had changed and, in my opinion at least, for the better.
 
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LumineDiei said:
I’ve found they are very welcoming to Latin-rite Catholics and are helpful to answers any questions and guide one through the Liturgy.
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I’d be surprised if they weren’t glad to see you. A lot of Eastern Catholic churches have suffered a lot of attrition in membership- due to deaths, as well as members moving out of the area for employment, and getting married to Latin rite people. I think there are any number of EC churches that are a bit on the edge. I was driving by the EC church near South Stadium, big signs welcoming people.
 
I might hit up the Cathedral for the Eparchy of Parma then sometime. I always pass it on the way to one of my veterinarians. Looks lovely
 
I think there was a shape up or get out attitude in TLM. And maybe still exists but from my experience (which, I’ll admit, is rather limited) most Latin Massers are relatively tolerant. I think the stuck-up sorts are the ones who had to keep the Latin Mass surviving after Vatican II. They became bitter and maybe got a sense of superiority over the OF folks. Not all of them did of course but some. That’s where I think the stereotype came from. But the newer folks who are finding the Latin Mass don’t have that baggage. Given time, I think the welcoming aspect will get better.
 
Apparently, they’re used to curious Latins poking in, since they’re (AFAIK) the most common Eastern Right in the US
 
Zelie Martin had no choice but pray the Rosary during Mass, she didn’t understand Latin.

In fact her husband Louis Martin, tried t become a Monk before they met, but he had to leave because he wasn’t educated in classic Latin.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Zelie Martin had no choice but pray the Rosary during Mass, she didn’t understand Latin.
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She was a mother, so she also had children to supervise and give stern looks to while she was at Mass.
 
Just to be clear, I’m not anti-TLM.

If that is the Mass you prefer, God Bless you.

However, as usual, this forum attacks the Ordinary Format since Vatican II using derogatory terms like Hippy Mass etc.

The attitude that the TLM makes you a better Catholic than those who attend the Novus Ordo, shows that such an attitude is seriously flawed and lacks true faith.

Jim
 
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