Trinity and contradictions in the Holy Bible

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Hi all together.

I am trying to understand the perspective that the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit are one entity.

I have questions that are coming in contradictions of that believe.

Could someone answer?

For example if I believe in trinity how can I explain the following verses:

Luke 1:31-33 King James Version (KJV)

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
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1 Corinthians 15:24-28 English Standard Version (ESV)

24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[a] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

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From what I read:

The Lord God will give Jesus (the son of the Highest) the throne of David the king.

At the end Jesus Kingdom will be delivered to his father.

The kingdom is a kingdom in the earth.

I confuses me when it says, that Jesus after a time of period will give to his Father ( God ) his kingdom back.

It gives me the feeling that are 2 separate entities as well.

If I believe to the trinity then it doesn’t make sense the verses

Because after time of period God will give to himself his kingdom back.
 
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The Holy Trinity is One God, Three Persons.
They act separately but are of the same thing-God.

Here is a way to explain the Trinity-
Make the sign of the Cross-

God the Father- head
The Father represents the head, it is the authority, from it comes all knowledge, wisdom, and creativity. In your head, your brain commands the rest of your body what to do. Everything you create comes out of the imagination, creativity, knowledge, and command of your brain.
God the Father is creator and authority

God the son- heart
Now, as you say God the son you move to your heart. Your heart is what keeps you alive, it is what pumps blood through your body, and is essentially what gives you life however, the brain is what tells your heart to do so. So under the authority of God the Father, creation came into being through God the son (the word look at John 1). The heart also symbolizes love, as Jesus’ death showed the love of God. The heart is also associated with blood, as Jesus is.
God the son is the redeemer and the word

God the Holy Spirit- Shoulders
Now, as you continue with the sign of the cross you reach the holy spirit, your shoulders. The left to right motion shows how the holy spirit is what takes evil and sanctifies it to bring in the light. Shoulders represent power as the Holy Spirit is the power of God. Your shoulders connect your arms and hands to the rest of your body. Hands represent action therefore, God does things through the Holy Spirit.
God the Holy Spirit is sanctifier and healer.

In this way they are one, you have a brain, a heart, and shoulders they can act seperatey from one another and yet are also dependent on one another. They are three separate parts but all make up one thing.

This is how God the Son can give his kingdom back to God the Father they are both God but they are different persons with different functions.

This analogy does not explain everything since the trinity is much more complicated but can explain a lot.
 
That’s a great analogy! I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before.

The trinity, if it were part of a physical universe, would be extradimensional in nature. Having 3 parts, all autonomous, part of one being isn’t 3D. Maybe that’s why it’s impossible to understand the trinity? It’s just simply beyond comprehension?
 
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That’s a great analogy! I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before.

Maybe that’s why it’s impossible to understand the trinity? It’s just simply beyond comprehension?
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Except that it’s wrong. All analogies for the Trinity will result in some kind of heresy. In this case, that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are parts of God. The orthodox teaching is that God is absolutely simple; God has no parts.
 
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So you’re saying we just shouldn’t try to understand God’s Trinitarian nature at all?
 
Accepting that are three different entities and not one, it makes things to be understandable.

Does it make someone not Christian, if he believes in three different entities?

Did ever Jesus explained himself as three different entities?

How it came trinity in Christianity?
 
No.
But trying to explain the Trinity is often problematic.
We BELIEVE that GOD IS.
He is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
All the same God.
One.
 
Interesting. Thanks @(name removed by moderator) for the link, I’ll be sure to check it out!
 
Hi, Here The Holy Trinity doesn’t contradict the Holy Bible,in some verses of the Bible Jesus in His humanity speaks and at times he speaks I and the Father are one And as God Philippians 2 :6-8 who, though he was in the form of God,did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness.And being found in human form,8 he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death—even death on a cross.

John 17 2 since you have given him authority over all people,[a] to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.and in verse 10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine; and I have been glorified in them.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth, that Christ is the truth.

7 And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

8 And there are three that give testimony on earth: the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are one.

9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony of God, which is greater, because he hath testified of his Son.

2 John 1:7 Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist! 8 Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward. 9 Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 Do not receive into the house or welcome anyone who comes to you and does not bring this teaching; 11 for to welcome is to participate in the evil deeds of such a person.
 
Can someone find a verse in Holy bible, where Jesus was teaching that he was three entities?

NO.

So why then someone has to believe what the people decided in 325, at the Council of Nicaea?
 
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm

IN BRIEF

261 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of the Christian faith and of Christian life. God alone can make it known to us by revealing himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

262 The Incarnation of God’s Son reveals that God is the eternal Father and that the Son is consubstantial with the Father, which means that, in the Father and with the Father the Son is one and the same God.

263 The mission of the Holy Spirit, sent by the Father in the name of the Son (Jn 14:26) and by the Son “from the Father” (Jn 15:26), reveals that, with them, the Spirit is one and the same God. “With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified” (Nicene Creed).

264 “The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father as the first principle and, by the eternal gift of this to the Son, from the communion of both the Father and the Son” (St. Augustine, De Trin. 15, 26, 47: PL 42, 1095).

265 By the grace of Baptism “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”, we are called to share in the life of the Blessed Trinity, here on earth in the obscurity of faith, and after death in eternal light (cf. Paul VI, CPG § 9).

266 “Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son’s is another, the Holy Spirit’s another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal” (Athanasian Creed: DS 75; ND 16).

267 Inseparable in what they are, the divine persons are also inseparable in what they do. But within the single divine operation each shows forth what is proper to him in the Trinity, especially in the divine missions of the Son’s Incarnation and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
 
Csst0286 said:
Can someone find a verse in Holy bible, where Jesus was teaching that he was three entities?

NO.

So why then someone has to believe what the people decided in 325, at the Council of Nicaea?
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Jesus is not three entities so you will not find him teaching that because it’s not true. Nicaea also did not teach this because it’s not true. Nicaea taught that Jesus is God.

God is three Persons. Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity. He is not three entities.
 
Ok my mistake on that. I want it to say three persons (or entities) in one.

Is not in the Holy Bible!
 
Csst0286 said:
Ok my mistake on that. I want it to say three persons (or entities) in one.

Is not in the Holy Bible!
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Yes it is. You will not find it in one verse but through a careful reading of the entire Bible. But a proper reading will tell you

There is only one God.
That the Father is God.
That the Father is a person.
That Jesus is not the Father but is the Son.
That Jesus is a person.
That Jesus is God.
That the Holy Spirit is a person.
That the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son.
That the Holy Spirit is God.

All of these can be directly proven from the Bible. It is from these truths that we formulate the dogma of the Trinity.
 
What do you have to say then for the following verses

Luke 1:26-38

The Angel Gabriel Comes to Mary
26 Six months after Elizabeth had become pregnant, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a city in Galilee. 27 The angel went to a virgin promised in marriage to a descendant of David named Joseph. The virgin’s name was Mary.

28 When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, “You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you.”

29 She was startled by what the angel said and tried to figure out what this greeting meant.

30 The angel told her,

“Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor[a] with God.
31 You will become pregnant, give birth to a son,
and name him Jesus.
32 He will be a great man
and will be called the Son of the Most High.
The Lord God will give him
the throne of his ancestor David.
33 Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever,
and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”

35 The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the Son of God.

36 “Elizabeth, your relative, is six months pregnant with a son in her old age. People said she couldn’t have a child. 37 But nothing is impossible for God.”

38 Mary answered, “I am the Lord’s servant. Let everything you’ve said happen to me.”

Then the angel left her.

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Csst0286 said:
What do you have to say then for the following verses

Luke 1:26-38

The Angel Gabriel Comes to Mary
26 Six months after Elizabeth had become pregnant, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a city in Galilee. 27 The angel went to a virgin promised in marriage to a descendant of David named Joseph. The virgin’s name was Mary.

28 When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, “You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you.”

29 She was startled by what the angel said and tried to figure out what this greeting meant.

30 The angel told her,

“Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor[a] with God.
31 You will become pregnant, give birth to a son,
and name him Jesus.
32 He will be a great man
and will be called the Son of the Most High.
The Lord God will give him
the throne of his ancestor David.
33 Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever,
and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”

35 The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the Son of God.

36 “Elizabeth, your relative, is six months pregnant with a son in her old age. People said she couldn’t have a child. 37 But nothing is impossible for God.”

38 Mary answered, “I am the Lord’s servant. Let everything you’ve said happen to me.”

Then the angel left her.

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That’s the passage on the Annunciation. What’s the point?
 
Csst0286 said:
Is not in the Holy Bible!
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Sure it is. It’s all through the Bible. Jesus talks about the Father and the Holy Spirit several times. “If you know me, you know the Father…” At his baptism we have Jesus being baptized, the Father speaking, and the Holy Spirit appearing. Read the first chapter of John: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God…” There are examples all over the place.

Can we understand the Trinity? No. Read Isaiah–I think chapter 52–“My ways are not your ways…” It always mystifies me that some people expect to understand everything about God when they don’t understand everything about a host of other subjects: chemistry, physics, etc. If you don’t have a good handle on string theory, what makes you think you can understand God?
 
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