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John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you “before the world began.”

World didn’t begin when Jesus the Word was Incarnate. What say you YiiNaa?

Same here…

Philippians 2

Who, being in very nature God,

did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

rather, he made Himself nothing

by taking the very nature of a servant,

being made in human likeness.

And being found in appearance as a man,

he humbled himself

by becoming obedient to death—

even death on a cross!

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YiiNaa, the Word of God we have established is Jesus, Biblically/Revelation? KInda brings John 1 back in also? In the Beginning was the Word?
 
GaryTaylor said:
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you “before the world began.”

World didn’t begin when Jesus the Word was Incarnate. What say you YiiNaa?

Same here…

Philippians 2

Who, being in very nature God,

did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

rather, he made Himself nothing

by taking the very nature of a servant,

being made in human likeness.

And being found in appearance as a man,

he humbled himself

by becoming obedient to death—

even death on a cross!

🤷
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  1. According to the Jewish encylopedia, the Messiah existed before the world began
  2. " Who, being in very nature God," Many lexicons have different renderings of that verse.
  3. Can God have equality with God?
 
Razanir said:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. –John 1:1

And as we have pointed out, the Word IS God, unless you’re using a poorly translated Bible that says “… and the Word was a god”
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Don’t you know what the meaning of the WORD OF GOD? Whatever he says is his word. In the OT the “word” was never a person. If the bible is the word of God, why don’t you believe the Bible is God?

I don’t read the mis-translation of John 1:1
 
YiiNaa said:
The debates gave me insights into my own religion; they helped me understand why I believed what I believed.

Trinity

This is the best christian/muslim one ive seen

Islam and violence

And many more
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** haha, so now from Anglican/Unitarian you changed your religion to a Restoration Fellowship whatever that is and have posted youtube videos on muslim/christians debates, which i figured you would do…lol:rolleyes:…so let me ask you do you believe mohammed is the last and final prophet?? **
 
YiiNaa said:
  1. Can God have equality with God?
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  1. Yes. It’s called the transitive property of equality. Everything is equal to itself
YiiNaa said:
I didn’t say he was a manifestation of God.
I said he was a manifestation of the **word **of God (the word became flesh).
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YiiNaa said:
Don’t you know what the meaning of the WORD OF GOD? Whatever he says is his word. In the OT the “word” was never a person. If the bible is the word of God, why don’t you believe the Bible is God?
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Perhaps it would be clearer to call Jesus the Logos. Λόγος is Greek for word, and is the word used in John 1:1. In translations, it’s translated to Verbum/Word/Parole/Wort/whatever the vernacular is. But in theological discussions, at least according to Wikipedia, it’s left untranslated as the Logos.

The point is, there is a difference between the little-w word of God, and the capital-W Word of God. The former is just what he says (like the Bible) and the latter is the Logos who was incarnate of the Virgin Mary
 
YiiNaa said:
The verses quoted never meant that messiah is God.
The Jewish rabbis never saw it this way, and it seems like the church is trying to change the way that these verses were seen historically to make their case for the trinity.
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** oh really the Jewish Rabbis never saw it this way, r u sure, have you read Mathew 26: 57:66, or has the church changed these verses in your opinion OR do you now believe in the verse “they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so”?? **😉
 
YiiNaa said:
  1. According to the Jewish encylopedia, the Messiah existed before the world began
  2. " Who, being in very nature God," Many lexicons have different renderings of that verse.
  3. Can God have equality with God?
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I AM who I AM. Post #186.

Nature/Essence=One God That is the what, the person is the who, which all three are the One in nature/essence uncreated.

Can God have equality with Himself in His uncreated essence? The divine relations do not have their own existences. Just as in God there is no triple intelligence or triple will, there is no triple being. In God all things are One and the same, there is the opposition of relation-the who.
 
YiiNaa said:
Don’t you know what the meaning of the WORD OF GOD? Whatever he says is his word. In the OT the “word” was never a person. If the bible is the word of God, why don’t you believe the Bible is God?

I don’t read the mis-translation of John 1:1
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Wait a minute…
I thought you were Episcopal/Unitarian.
Now you’re “Restoration Fellowship”…
'splain please…
 
Seeker said:
** haha, so now from Anglican/Unitarian you changed your religion to a Restoration Fellowship whatever that is and have posted youtube videos on muslim/christians debates, which i figured you would do…lol:rolleyes:…so let me ask you do you believe mohammed is the last and final prophet?? **
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A quick Google reveals Restoration Fellowship is a cult.
 
Seeker said:
** haha, so now from Anglican/Unitarian you changed your religion to a Restoration Fellowship whatever that is and have posted youtube videos on muslim/christians debates, which i figured you would do…lol:rolleyes:…so let me ask you do you believe mohammed is the last and final prophet?? **
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No… I’m a christian
 
YiiNaa said:
No… I’m a christian
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Hiya, YiiNaa!

Could you please answer my question posed to you several pages back?

How is it that you know that the NT canon is inspired, without deferring to the authority of the Catholic Church?

You made a reference to historical accounts of the Resurrection, and to “other factors”.

What historical accounts?

And what are these “other factors”?
 
“Restoration Fellowship was founded by Sir Anthony Buzzard, Bt., MA (Oxon.) MA Th. in 1981. The subject matter of our literature is not new and has been held by small groups of believers throughout the centuries, notably by some Anabaptists and the Church of God General Conference whose headquarters and college, Atlanta Bible College, are located in McDonough, GA, USA.” Fellowship Restoration.

What about the first-century Apostolic Church’s? Uh-oh that limb is getting thinner. Early Church Fathers? Do the “small groups of believers” have any documented first century…anything?
 
Razanir said:
  1. Yes. It’s called the transitive property of equality. Everything is equal to itself
Perhaps it would be clearer to call Jesus the Logos. Λόγος is Greek for word, and is the word used in John 1:1. In translations, it’s translated to Verbum/Word/Parole/Wort/whatever the vernacular is. But in theological discussions, at least according to Wikipedia, it’s left untranslated as the Logos.

The point is, there is a difference between the little-w word of God, and the capital-W Word of God. The former is just what he says (like the Bible) and the latter is the Logos who was incarnate of the Virgin Mary
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There is no need to translate logos with a capital W. The capital is not in the greek
 

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    ** oh really the Jewish Rabbis never saw it this way, r u sure, have you read Mathew 26: 57:66, or has the church changed these verses in your opinion OR do you now believe in the verse “they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so”?? **😉
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    What is special about the verse you quoted?
 
YiiNaa said:
There is no need to translate logos with a capital W. The capital is not in the greek
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Upper and lower case letters did not exist in ancient Greek.
So it wouldn’t be “in the Greek”.
 
PRmerger said:
Hiya, YiiNaa!

Could you please answer my question posed to you several pages back?

How is it that you know that the NT canon is inspired, without deferring to the authority of the Catholic Church?

You made a reference to historical accounts of the Resurrection, and to “other factors”.

What historical accounts?

And what are these “other factors”?
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  1. 1 Corinth 15 is a historical account.
  2. Growing up as anglican, I would naturally believe that the gospel is inspired.
  3. Do I even need to care that the CC said the gospels were inspired. Like I said before Luther and others had said this and were not catholics
  4. I don’t believe that the Bible is inspired because the CC said so.
 
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