Trudeau led his country out of a pandemic while Trump's lack of leadership

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MikeInVA said:
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As to the credibility of the CDC, I am floored that they have lost credibility due to Trump playing doctor.
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I believe they lost credibility by trying to play politician.
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No, the CDC has been apolitical. But the discrediting of The CDC, the WHO, the NIH, etc. does seem to be part of an overall pattern by the far-right to denigrate science for their political purposes.
 
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So the CDC lied (or whatever would you choose to describe deliberately saying something that they new was not true), but it’s the fault of the “far-right”?
 
MikeInVA said:
So the CDC lied (or whatever would you choose to describe deliberately saying something that they new was not true), but it’s the fault of the “far-right”?
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No, it is the fault of the far right that the straightforward best advice from the CDC is cast as a lie or political when it was neither.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
No, it is the fault of the far right that the straightforward best advice from the CDC is cast as a lie or political when it was neither.
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So it wasn’t a lie. But earlier you said:
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The CDC did not lie. This reasoning was explained at the time. It was much more urgent the doctors and nurses who have no choice to avoid sick people. That is just common sense.
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Which to me says that the CDC made a statement that they knew was incorrect because doctors needed PPE more than the general population. Deliberately making a statement that you know is not true, even if it is for a noble cause, is still lying.
 
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Which to me says that the CDC made a statement that they knew was incorrect because doctors needed PPE more than the general population. Deliberately making a statement that you know is not true, even if it is for a noble cause, is still lying.
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Other countries started a PSA campaign to make DIY masks for non healthcare workers.

We would have a much lower R0, and deaths if they had been honest and pushed masks from the start, emphasizing the DIY response to preserve hospital grade PPE.
 
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Theo520 said:
We would have a much lower R0, and deaths if they had been honest and pushed masks from the start, emphasizing the DIY response to preserve hospital grade PPE.
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The CDC can’t do very much encouraging when the top man is still saying that people who wear masks just don’t like him. Or when the top man undercuts and downplays whatever the CDC says.
 
Even the Republican governor of Maryland is saying Trump sends confusing and contradictory messages, often at odds with federal agencies / officials. It’s not just the “evil Left” who takes issue with Trump on this issue… conservatives are upset as well.
 
I thought there was an honest disagreement about the effectiveness of masks early in the pandemic among health professionals; I remember myself thinking, not too long ago, that the ordinary kind of mask is unlikely to do much to prevent the virus’ spread because viruses are much smaller than the holes in the fabric that the mask is made from. Yet I still wore one (and still do) outside because it seemed to calm other people.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
Or when the top man undercuts and downplays whatever the CDC says.
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When one harasses and belittles those who work under him, it does not create a helpful or productive environment at any time, much less in time of crisis. This is not leadership.
 
Also, are they counting deaths of people with covid or deaths from covid?
 
The positivity rate should tell you who is overtesting with respect to other countries or states.
 
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