Trump’s big new Iran deal policy is both pointless and incredibly dangerous

[Theo520]

The fact that the deal was not the coming of the kingdom was not lost on anyone.

It is a very cheap criticism to say that there were important components missed. What was is the strategy to incorporate them in a deal?

Nothing cheap about it, key components should have been included when we had the most leverage to do so.

Now it will be much harder, to clean up the mess, but that doesn’t mean they should be ignored because team Obama shirked the task (like their missile program)

 

[dvdjs]

Nothing cheap about it, key components should have been included

What does you mean by “missed”. Failed ot consider, for failed to reach agreement?
It is easy to say that a better deal could have been struck, but there is no evidence to support that idea.
The critics, ungrounded in reality, seem to think that the alternatives were this deal or a better one, and fail to deal seriously with other possible outcomes. This kind of talk is as cheap as it gets.

 

[Theo520]

why did you put your quote as my quote?

 

[dvdjs]

why did you put your quote as my quote?

Fixed.
Not sure how that happened. Like 7 sorrows’s avatar appearing with Jig Saw quotes.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Compared to what?

Compared to no agreement, it seems to me.
I really haven’t seen a persuasive defense of the agreement except that (it is claimed) it puts off Iran developing nuclear weapons for awhile. But of course, some Iranian sites are off limits, so we can’t know that. It does not prevent Iran from developing ICBM in the meanwhile, which appears to be what Iran is doing.

 

[dvdjs]

I really haven’t seen a persuasive defense of the agreement except that (it is claimed) it puts off Iran developing nuclear weapons for awhile.

A month away was the estimate of the countries involved.
That was extended for some fifteen years - a period long enough that it might have allowed a restart of relations that lessened the problem. If that failed, we still had all of our options available to us.

If you think that the estimates of Iran’s capacity for developing a nuclear program were and are wrong, then there is no need ffor anything that Trump is doing. that Iran has nukes now, that makes Trump’s approach even more reckless.

 

[Ridgerunner]

A month away was the estimate of the countries involved.

That was extended for some fifteen years - a period long enough that it might have allowed a restart of relations that lessened the problem. If that failed, we still had all of our options available to us.

If you think that the estimates of Iran’s capacity for developing a nuclear program were and are wrong, then there is no need ffor anything that Trump is doing. that Iran has nukes now, that makes Trump’s approach even more reckless

I have read various estimates of the amount of time left before Iran could detonate a nuclear bomb. Most are very short; far shorter than estimates made not very long before. Iran is a secretive place. If earlier estimates were wrong by years (and some were) there is no particular reason to think Iran does or doesn’t have nukes right now or is within inches of having them.

But if Iran has nuclear devices, that does not mean no pressure should be applied. After all, Obama kept sanctions on NoKo knowing that NoKo had them.

I’m not sure how Trump was supposed to certify Iran’s compliance when the inspection regime exempts military sites. Compliance is not verifiable.

And it might not be as reckless as you think. Iran is going to want to keep the European states trade coming. So is Iran going to now say “okay, we won’t comply anymore because of Trump” and give up the economic advantages it won with Europe?

 

[Mulligan2]

I don’t believe Trump understands the Iran deal. I think he’s opposed to it simply because President Obama was in favor of it.

Just like the Affordable Care Act - Trump simply opposes the ACA because President Obama was responsible for enacting it. Trump’s interview with the New York Times proved he has no idea what health insurance even is. He thinks it similar to term life insurance. Here’s the link:

Donald Trump Thinks Health Insurance Costs $12 Per Year When You're 21 | Fortune

It doesn't.

fortune.com

The title of this thread contains the words ‘pointless’ and ‘incredibly dangerous’. Sadly, those words can be applied to many things coming out the White House these days.

 

[dvdjs]

I have read…

I am afraid i didn’t get you point.

 

[Theo520]

And it might not be as reckless as you think. Iran is going to want to keep the European states trade coming. So is Iran going to now say “okay, we won’t comply anymore because of Trump” and give up the economic advantages it won with Europe?

Europe may choose to ignore Trump’s concerns and keep trading.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Europe may choose to ignore Trump’s concerns and keep trading.

We’ll see. But I’m guessing they will do just that. They’ll do it for economic reasons of their own or to induce Iran to live up to the agreement (pretended or real) for its economic reasons, or some of both.