Trump’s Support Drops in Military Communities

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Jig_Saw said:
Sure I see patriotism as a core value. I don’t think Trump is patriotic because he regularly uses foreign workers in his businesses to save cost while calling on others to use the American workers he won’t. There are also significant unanswered questions about his connections to America’s long-time enemy Russia. That doesn’t seem very patriotic to me.

Love of family. Three times married?

Work ethic: The guy that can’t be bothered to read position papers?

I’d say nice try, but this isn’t even a good attempt.
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Well, since nothing’s going to convince you that your beliefs about Trump are wrong, I’m not going to waste my time explaining it to you. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
 
7_Sorrows said:
So you can’t tell me what the connection is? That is what I am asking.
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Feel free to google “Trump Russia” and then start clicking on links. I’m sure you’ll gain a more complete understanding than me posting a link and then having you tell me that it’s a liberal, fake news site.
 
Borealis said:
Well, since nothing’s going to convince you that your beliefs about Trump are wrong, I’m not going to waste my time explaining it to you. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
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Well, if that’s the best examples you can come up, no, you’re not going to convince me. I’m surprised it convinces you, but Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and keep his supporters. That is continuously proven true here.
 
Jig_Saw said:
Not the popular vote. It’s sad that you don’t understand my point. I’d explain it again, but I don’t want the wrath of JeanneS. She understands it. She can explain it to you.
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Oh good grief! I’ll pass,thank you very much…
 
Jig_Saw said:
Hey, thanks for weighing in. Now go back and read all the posts and see that I was using this in reference to the accuracy of polling or Jeanne S is going to be mad at you for me having to explain the same thing to another conservative that can’t read and comprehend the whole thread before commenting.
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I have read all the posts ad I knew you were referring to the popular vote - though your initial post about the accuracy of the election polls did not qualify you were speaking about the “Popular” vote …

You say the “polls” were accurate - they really were not … and you failed to respond to my post on the accuracy you tout nor on how polls are used to shape and test public opinions. Just an observation … These Polls may be saying something about Military support - but - just as likely they are an attempt to persuade the people that the military is turning away from Trump - That is the big question …

Were these poll questions written in such a way to get a 'certain" response and tell a pre-determined story? How were the people contacted - what exactly was the make up of the polled persons [age, military connection likely voter etc]- what questions were asked and in what order? …

Polls have been used in this way to shape and actually move public opinion … bbc.com/news/uk-31504146

As for the accuracy of the Election:

nytimes.com/interactive/…ons/polls.html

Actually - the polling was not very accurate - even though Hillary won the popular vote …

You all know the adage “Statistics don’t lie but lie-ers use statistics”

Hillary did not win the popular vote in a plurality of states … Trump did… Hillary’s popular vote win was very locally found in heavily left leaning locations with large population bases // which is why we are the United States of America and not the United Peoples of America and also why we have an electoral college - whose electors are governed by the Rules set in place by the respective States

So the Polls showed Hillary winning 195 Electoral Votes to Trumps 154 … but that was not very close to the reality

Of the states they polled - they had Hillary the favored winner 2:1 … but that did not happen either

They had Hillary’s chance of winning in the “UpShot Forecast” 85% to Trumps 15% … well … that did not work out either
 
Jig_Saw said:
Feel free to google “Trump Russia” and then start clicking on links. I’m sure you’ll gain a more complete understanding than me posting a link and then having you tell me that it’s a liberal, fake news site.
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Oh you mean the fake news?
I guess you yourself don’t have any information or you would surely share it here.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Oh you mean the fake news?
I guess you yourself don’t have any information or you would surely share it here.
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You see now why I didn’t even bother with links. Thank you for confirming that would have been a waste of time.
 
Jig_Saw said:
You see now why I didn’t even bother with links. Thank you for confirming that would have been a waste of time.
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I think you have no information or proof of any connection between Trump and Russia.
Have they found anything yet?
 
YADA said:
I have read all the posts ad I knew you were referring to the popular vote - though your initial post about the accuracy of the election polls did not qualify you were speaking about the “Popular” vote …

You say the “polls” were accurate - they really were not … and you failed to respond to my post on the accuracy you tout nor on how polls are used to shape and test public opinions. Just an observation … These Polls may be saying something about Military support - but - just as likely they are an attempt to persuade the people that the military is turning away from Trump - That is the big question …

Were these poll questions written in such a way to get a 'certain" response and tell a pre-determined story? How were the people contacted - what exactly was the make up of the polled persons [age, military connection likely voter etc]- what questions were asked and in what order? …

Polls have been used in this way to shape and actually move public opinion … bbc.com/news/uk-31504146

As for the accuracy of the Election:

nytimes.com/interactive/…ons/polls.html

Actually - the polling was not very accurate - even though Hillary won the popular vote …

You all know the adage “Statistics don’t lie but lie-ers use statistics”

Hillary did not win the popular vote in a plurality of states … Trump did… Hillary’s popular vote win was very locally found in heavily left leaning locations with large population bases // which is why we are the United States of America and not the United Peoples of America and also why we have an electoral college - whose electors are governed by the Rules set in place by the respective States

So the Polls showed Hillary winning 195 Electoral Votes to Trumps 154 … but that was not very close to the reality

Of the states they polled - they had Hillary the favored winner 2:1 … but that did not happen either

They had Hillary’s chance of winning in the “UpShot Forecast” 85% to Trumps 15% … well … that did not work out either
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I didn’t realize that you were being serious. So many conservatives were/are feigning that they can’t understand my simple point that the polls in the general election weren’t all that wrong and that the polls showed Clinton winning the popular vote by 4%, which she actually won by 2%. You are attempting to draw inferences from the polling data, which is entirely different than my point and hence irrelevant.
 
Jig_Saw said:
Feel free to google “Trump Russia” and then start clicking on links. I’m sure you’ll gain a more complete understanding than me posting a link and then having you tell me that it’s a liberal, fake news site.
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lol, i don’t think anyone has time to go through all that mess. There is no evidence of collusion. There is no evidence Russia swayed the outcome. This is pitiful
 
Michael68 said:
lol, i don’t think anyone has time to go through all that mess. There is no evidence of collusion. There is no evidence Russia swayed the outcome. This is pitiful
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Trump really could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and keep his supporters.
 
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