Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

[queenofheartscv]

Keep defending the immoral, unethical Rump, you Rumpists. He’ll “save babies” and “protect religious liberty” according to your kind. How many “wives” does he have to cheat on and marry before he’s no longer considered a good man, according to you? Oh, it doesn’t matter. He’s going to “save babies” and “protect religious liberty.” So long as they rape women and exchange wives like socks, they’re good men when they claim their going to “save babies” and “protect religious liberty.” Oh, and for the trailer-trash living off of socialism while opposing socialism, he’s going to get them “jobs.” Any of you get a job from Rump? If you did, speak up. Did he save any of your babies? Speak up. As for “religious liberty,” well, we all know what that means. Don’t say you don’t.

Boy, do you have a problem. Somehow it’s always the antitrumpers who make a fool of themselves by violence and obscenity.

 

[DeniseNY]

Boy, do you have a problem. Somehow it’s always the antitrumpers who make a fool of themselves by violence and obscenity.

:sad_yes:

 

[Thorolfr]

The argument seems to be that the actual “ordering” would not need to come from Obama himself or anyone working in the White House. It would be applied for by someone lower down in the government food chain and “ordered” by the FISA court. But such orders would not be sought without the knowledge of the president and as the chief executive, he could prevent it.

The way the white house worded this denial makes me think all the more that it was done by a Dem operative within one of the departments, and with at least the tacit approval of the White House, and likely Obama himself.

“Plausible deniability” is nothing new.

First Clapper and now FBI Director Comey are pushing back against Mr. Trump’s baseless claims:

FBI Director James B. Comey asked the Justice Department this weekend to issue a statement refuting President Trump’s claim that President Barack Obama ordered a wiretap of Trump’s phones before the election, according a U.S. official, but the department has not done so.

washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/05/trump-seeks-congressional-probe-into-politically-motivated-investigation-during-2016-campaign/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pp-congress-927am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.abeae4b29cae

 

[Ridgerunner]

So are you saying that you believe that the head of FBI counterintelligence, the head of the FBI, the Attorney General, and at least one, maybe two FISA judges all conspired to issue an illegal FISA warrant? What is your basis for that incredible position?

No judge needed to be in on any conspiracy. It would have taken only one judge who believed the application without actually “conspiring” with anyone. We don’t know what any of the applications said, and we might never know.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Keep defending the immoral, unethical Rump, you Rumpists. He’ll “save babies” and “protect religious liberty” according to your kind. How many “wives” does he have to cheat on and marry before he’s no longer considered a good man, according to you? Oh, it doesn’t matter. He’s going to “save babies” and “protect religious liberty.” So long as they rape women and exchange wives like socks, they’re good men when they claim their going to “save babies” and “protect religious liberty.” Oh, and for the trailer-trash living off of socialism while opposing socialism, he’s going to get them “jobs.” Any of you get a job from Rump? If you did, speak up. Did he save any of your babies? Speak up. As for “religious liberty,” well, we all know what that means. Don’t say you don’t.

Feel better?

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Keep defending the immoral, unethical Rump, you Rumpists. He’ll “save babies” and “protect religious liberty” according to your kind. How many “wives” does he have to cheat on and marry before he’s no longer considered a good man, according to you? Oh, it doesn’t matter. He’s going to “save babies” and “protect religious liberty.” So long as they rape women and exchange wives like socks, they’re good men when they claim their going to “save babies” and “protect religious liberty.” Oh, and for the trailer-trash living off of socialism while opposing socialism, he’s going to get them “jobs.” Any of you get a job from Rump? If you did, speak up. Did he save any of your babies? Speak up. As for “religious liberty,” well, we all know what that means. Don’t say you don’t.

I personally did not vote for Trump or Hillary, but I admit if I had to have an absolute choice between the two, I would rather choose Trump, who at least can be reasoned with, than Hillary “Psychopathic Pro-Abortion Ultra-Committed Leftist and Hanger-On of her Better-Talented Husband’s Britches” Clinton.

So what you are saying is you would rather have in office an evil so-and-so Pro-Palestinian Socialist Possible Murderer and Apparent Apologist for Her Apparent Rapist Husband and Murderer, who would turn our country into a Socialist Worker’s paradise and basically make Abortion not only a Sacrament but a human duty?

You would rather have in office a candidate who was being investigated by the FBI at the same time she was running for office. Who seems rather fond of dumping bleach or chemicals also on her servers to erase evidence?

THAT Hillary?

Whose own platform went basically against everything Holy Mother Church stood for? THAT one?

Whatever happens to this country, will happen, from my POV. It will be God’s will.

But since I believe in God’s will, I believe there is a reason God did not allow Hillary to win.
Take from that what you will.

 

[TMC]

No judge needed to be in on any conspiracy. It would have taken only one judge who believed the application without actually “conspiring” with anyone. We don’t know what any of the applications said, and we might never know.

Well, then the accusation is that the FBI and/or the Attorney General manufactured fake evidence, which is an equally astounding allegation, also with no support or evidence.

If these terrible crimes were committed, why isn’t the White House putting out the evidence?

 

[dvdjs]

I personally did not vote for Trump or Hillary, but I admit if I had to have an absolute choice between the two, I would rather choose Trump, who at least can be reasoned with, than Hillary “Psychopathic Pro-Abortion Ultra-Committed Leftist and Hanger-On of her Better-Talented Husband’s Britches” Clinton.

So what you are saying is you would rather have in office an evil so-and-so Pro-Palestinian Socialist Possible Murderer and Apparent Apologist for Her Apparent Rapist Husband and Murderer, who would turn our country into a Socialist Worker’s paradise and basically make Abortion not only a Sacrament but a human duty?

You would rather have in office a candidate who was being investigated by the FBI at the same time she was running for office. Who seems rather fond of dumping belach or chemic also on her servers to erase evidence?

THAT Hillary?

Whose own platform went basically against everything Holy Mother Church stood for? THAT one?

Whatever happens tot this country, will happen, from my POV. It will be God’s will.

But since I believe in God’s will, I believe there is a reason God did not allow Hillary to win.
Take from that what you will.

Curious.
In light of all that you wrote, why on earth is your claim that Trump “can be reasoned with” of any interest to you whatsoever?

 

[Abynissa]

Bad strategy by Bannon banling on his base to believe Trumph never tells a lie. He knows stirring Trumph’s brainwashed base hated toward Obama, so he is using that hatred to act as a smokescreen. Trumph is in trouble now. If there was a wiretap,Trumph would be releasing classified information of an ongoing investigation which in of itself is federal violation. Besides you don’t need a wiretap on non phone lines. Every smartphone and electronic device is being tapped by TLA. It also is another lie from Trumph. This strategy was exposed by insiders long before it hit the press.

FBI Director Called on Justice Department to Refute Trump’s Wiretapping Claims

FBI Director James Comey has reportedly asked the Justice Department to publicly deny there is any truth to President Donald Trump’s claims that former President Barack Obama ordered his phones be tapped, the New York Times reports. According to the paper’s sources, Comey has called on the Justice Department to contradict the commander in chief, because his explosive accusation makes it look like the FBI broke the law. Needless to say, the Justice Department has not issued any kind of statement on the allegations.

Obama’s director of national intelligence, James Clapper, also denied it, saying that as far as he was concerned there had been no wiretapping of Trump Tower.

“A cardinal rule of the Obama Administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice,” spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement. “As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false.”

You don’t want to p*** off the intelligence agencies by throwing them under the bus. Dumb move.​

 

[Ridgerunner]

First Clapper and now FBI Director Comey are pushing back against Mr. Trump’s baseless claims:

washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/05/trump-seeks-congressional-probe-into-politically-motivated-investigation-during-2016-campaign/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pp-congress-927am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.abeae4b29cae

Interesting that Comey didn’t just deny it himself.

This is beginning to have a “say it ain’t so, Joe” flavor to it. The hearsay attributed to Comey by the usual doubtful sources is that he asked the Justice Dept to refute it. The unspoken (hearsay still) part being “if you can”.

And Clapper, of course, is Clapper.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Curious.
In light of all that you wrote, why on earth is your claim that Trump “can be reasoned with” of any interest to you whatsoever?

Personally , I think Trump is a demagogue and has megalomaniacal leanings… But he IS ultimately a businessman, who believes in “what’s best for the customer.” Sort of what George W. Bush wanted to be, except he was a failed businessman, unlike Trump. If “pushed,” Trump can be made to moderate his position.

Hillary is a committed and unyielding leftist, unlike Bill, who was willing to “make a deal,” like in 1994 with the crime bill.

If Hillary had become president, we would be at war with Russia by now. MY opinion, of course, but personally I feel comfortable with that. You can disagree with it, of course.

 

[Thorolfr]

Well, then the accusation is that the FBI and/or the Attorney General manufactured fake evidence, which is an equally astounding allegation, also with no support or evidence.

If these terrible crimes were committed, why isn’t the White House putting out the evidence?

I think that Mr. Trump is going to destroy his own presidency because by making unfounded claims, he will just call his own judgement and suitability to be president further into question.

Trump’s response also has deepened doubts about his own judgment, not just in the face of the first crisis to confront his young presidency but in dealing with the challenges that lie ahead for the chief executive of the world’s most powerful nation.

His tweets may have been an effort to distract from revelations that his aides and associates had contact with Russian officials during the election and transition, as well as to deflect criticism onto Obama.

But instead, the president has invited more scrutiny to the larger controversy over Russian interference. The issue shows no signs of fading.

washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-charge-that-he-was-wiretapped-takes-presidency-into-new-territory/2017/03/05/7ce64578-01bd-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpdebrief-530pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f9078f26c9f4

 

[Abynissa]

WOW! Roger Stone, GOP political consultant and dirty trickster just had a meltdown on twitter and admitted collusion with Wikileaks!!

Former Trump Adviser Roger Stone Admits Collusion With WikiLeaks, Then Deletes It
The former adviser to Trump’s campaign previously claimed he had “back-channel communication” with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

NSFW Vulgar language by Roger Stone

https://twitter.com/hashtag/RogerStone?src=hash

 

[lmachine]

Is it a fact that President Trump got the info regarding wiretapping from any media report? Has that been established?

Breitbart?

WH officials with whom I spoke said POTUS got the info about wiretap from media - Breitbart, Levin - not from govt sources.

It’s been independently verified by other outlets as well.

 

[lmachine]

Maybe we should look back at some of Obama’s tweets…

Sure. Here they all are.

 

[kat07]

Obama’s spokesperson already said that Obama (or anyone in the White House) did not do or order anything. If someone in the FBI sought a wiretap using FISA (and I haven’t seen any solid proof they did), this does not mean that the president was in any way involved and indeed, the president should not be involved in such decisions.

There are numerous reports that there were 2 FISA applications, one in which Trump was named and which was denied, and another narrower application in October which was approved. The WH was also reportedly looking into whether or not they could obtain these.

You really believe Obama wouldn’t know that his DOJ was seeking a FISA application? You do know what FISA applications are and the only reasons they can be sought, right? It would be naive to think a President wouldn’t be aware of FISA applications.

The fact that Obama states he didn’t “order” any wiretapping does not mean, however, that there was no wiretap, only that Obama is claiming neither he nor the White House “ordered” it. Whether true or not who knows for a fact.

 

[Thorolfr]

There are numerous reports that there were 2 FISA applications, one in which Trump was named and which was denied, and another narrower application in October which was approved. The WH was also reportedly looking into whether or not they could obtain these.

What is the source of these reports?

 

[7_Sorrows]

Reading this thread… I feel so sad that there are so many Catholics giving credence to Trumps claims. Sorry, but have you not figured out at this point that the man is a rabid liar? Trumps latest tweeted accusation is just another attempt to take the heat off himself. Either that or he’s just displaying how wildly paranoid he really is which goes hand and hand with his narcissistic personality.

We are only a few months into his presidency and this administration is just non stop drama and corruption. God help this country and let this man child be impeached.

after 8 years of Obama and watching Hillary over the past year makes me very thankful as a Catholic it is Trump and not Hillary or Obama as our president.

 

[kat07]

I think that Mr. Trump is going to destroy his own presidency because by making unfounded claims, he will just call his own judgement and suitability to be president further into question.

washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-charge-that-he-was-wiretapped-takes-presidency-into-new-territory/2017/03/05/7ce64578-01bd-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpdebrief-530pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f9078f26c9f4

The claim may be unfounded, and if so then that’s problematic that Trump would tweet what he did. However remember back in May when the NYT reported: A sense of paranoia is growing among his campaign staff members, including some who have told associates they believe that their Trump Tower offices in New York may be bugged, according to three people briefed on the conversations." Trump could have reacted back in May, were there new developments and good reason for Trump to level this charge all of a sudden…

 

[ProVobis]

Personally , I think Trump is a demagogue and has megalomaniacal leanings… But he IS ultimately a businessman, who believes in “what’s best for the customer.” Sort of what George W. Bush wanted to be, except he was a failed businessman, unlike Trump. If “pushed,” Trump can be made to moderate his position.

Perhaps the “successful” businessman is one who can evaluate the shelf life of his products better than his investors. In this sense one can say Trump Casinos, Trump Vodka, Trump University, etc. were successful, I suppose. But the shelf life of government is a lot longer than that. Trump will in time realize this is not normal business.