Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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Wasn’t it reported the FISA warrant had nothing to do with the Russians?

If that’s truly the case then there had to be a FISA warrant I’m presuming on a US person, who was???

Accordingly, “a FISA application on a US citizen must contain, among other things:
• a statement of reasons to believe that the target of the surveillance is a foreign power or agent of a foreign power, (subject to the relevant amendments made by the USA-PATRIOT Act)
•a certification from a high-ranking executive branch official stating that the information sought is deemed to be foreign intelligence information, and that the information sought cannot reasonably be obtained by normal investigative techniques;
•statements regarding all previous applications involving the target;
•detailed description of the nature of the information sought and of the type of communication or activities to be subject to the surveillance;
•the length of time surveillance is required;
•whether physical entry into a premises is necessary, and
•proposed procedures to minimize the acquisition, use, and retention of information concerning nonconsenting U.S. person”
 
kat07 said:
Wasn’t it reported the FISA warrant had nothing to do with the Russians?

If that’s truly the case then there had to be a FISA warrant I’m presuming on a US person, who was???

Accordingly, “a FISA application on a US citizen must contain, among other things:
• a statement of reasons to believe that the target of the surveillance is a foreign power or agent of a foreign power, (subject to the relevant amendments made by the USA-PATRIOT Act)
•a certification from a high-ranking executive branch official stating that the information sought is deemed to be foreign intelligence information, and that the information sought cannot reasonably be obtained by normal investigative techniques;
•statements regarding all previous applications involving the target;
•detailed description of the nature of the information sought and of the type of communication or activities to be subject to the surveillance;
•the length of time surveillance is required;
•whether physical entry into a premises is necessary, and
•proposed procedures to minimize the acquisition, use, and retention of information concerning nonconsenting U.S. person”
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If you are talking about Nunes. He indicated that this was did involve FISA and monitoring foreign intercepts. He also indicated that this all had nothing to do with the Russians. Curiouser and curiouser.
 
lynnvinc said:
But “incidental,” I think, also means that US citizen who was caught up in the dragnet of info gathering was NOT the target of the investigation (which is what I meant by my usage of it).

Now I think (but it is unclear) the problem Nunes had was that those incidental persons were named, which should not have happened … unless … who knows

Someone on TV said that info they were gathering could have just been newspaper articles or such, in which the article could have been about Trump or an associate, so Trump or associate was named, say, in the title (which could not be avoided in citing that article), but was still not the target of the investigation.

Or, the other problem Nunes may have had was that they were spying on someone they should not be spying on. Which doesn’t make sense either, since any of us could be (if even mistakenly) the subject of counterintelligence spying.
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Yes, incidental means that a person who was not the target was collected against while collecting against the target. I thought I explained that, but maybe I was not clear.

They may have been named, or as I provided in my example, it may simply be impossible to hide their identities because of the nature of the person or the nature of the communication.
 
kat07 said:
Wasn’t it reported the FISA warrant had nothing to do with the Russians?

If that’s truly the case then there had to be a FISA warrant I’m presuming on a US person, who was???

Accordingly, “a FISA application on a US citizen must contain, among other things:
• a statement of reasons to believe that the target of the surveillance is a foreign power or agent of a foreign power, (subject to the relevant amendments made by the USA-PATRIOT Act)
•a certification from a high-ranking executive branch official stating that the information sought is deemed to be foreign intelligence information, and that the information sought cannot reasonably be obtained by normal investigative techniques;
•statements regarding all previous applications involving the target;
•detailed description of the nature of the information sought and of the type of communication or activities to be subject to the surveillance;
•the length of time surveillance is required;
•whether physical entry into a premises is necessary, and
•proposed procedures to minimize the acquisition, use, and retention of information concerning nonconsenting U.S. person”
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It could be 100s of other things. For example, we now know that Flynn had ties and financial connections to Turkey, so it could have been a FISA warrant (or other type of legal collection) aimed at a Turk, which incidentally collected Flynn. Or any of 100s of other possibilities.
 
Michael68 said:
Surveillance is surveillance. I knew there would be a spin. They just did the same thing on my local news. I guess we’re gonna go back to the " that depends on what the definition of is, is" days.
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Did Obama wiretap Trump Towers - yes or no?

Trump didn’t mention “surveillance.” There’s still no evidence Obama wiretapped him - though there’s increasing evidence of a scandal that would make Nixon blush – buddying with commies? How un-American. Literally.
 
TMC said:
It could be 100s of other things. For example, we now know that Flynn had ties and financial connections to Turkey, so it could have been a FISA warrant (or other type of legal collection) aimed at a Turk, which incidentally collected Flynn. Or any of 100s of other possibilities.
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But Nunes said it went beyond Flynn, can’t see how there would be a FISA warrant against Turkey, they aren’t an active hostile foreign agent?
 
kat07 said:
But Nunes said it went beyond Flynn, can’t see how there would be a FISA warrant against Turkey, they aren’t an active hostile foreign agent?
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No FISA warrant would be needed if they were collecting against Turkey directly outside of the US. But even so, there is no requirement that a country be labeled an enemy to collect against them. We collect against most of the world.
 
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