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kat07
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What’s very interesting is that it appears Obama signed a controversial bill to allow extensions on FISA’s without following the typical process or having probable cause.
Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
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Michael68
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I thought we were deplorables not trailer trash. Please get your insults correct!
meltzerboy
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The logic does not sound convoluted to me. However, I am most certainly NOT in favor of Trump’s impeachment for two reasons. One is political: I like Mike Pence even less, not the man himself for he seems to be a very decent person, but his ultra-conservative ideology. The other reason is, as an American citizen, I think an impeachment process would be one of the worst things that could take place in our country at the present time, particularly because there are so many urgent domestic and foreign-policy issues that need the attention of the government. We do not need further division among Americans, if that is even possible.
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Wedge_Antilles
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I’ll post again, there has already been acknowledgement of wiretapping and the info being sent to the previous White House days before Trump took office.
talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fbi-probe-trump-allies
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The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.*
Why is this even being debated ten pages in? Short of declassifying the taps themselves, they are going to publicize much more that this acknowledgement.
And why are mods letting random new atheist posters come in and call names?
If the TOS has been removed, so be it, and we can let each other really have it.
talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fbi-probe-trump-allies
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The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.*
Why is this even being debated ten pages in? Short of declassifying the taps themselves, they are going to publicize much more that this acknowledgement.
And why are mods letting random new atheist posters come in and call names?
If the TOS has been removed, so be it, and we can let each other really have it.
meltzerboy
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Just a word of advice since you are a new member on CAF. Perhaps there is a nugget or two of truth in what you are saying, but your tone here is hostile so that anything good or correct in your comment tends to get lost.
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josh987654321
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I wouldn’t be surprised and I suspect they would have done something like that, they accused Trump of many things and no doubt probably did do a wire tapping, probably trying to justify it to themselves over the Russia collusion accusations.
But Trump most certainly can’t drop a bombshell like that and not take it further (Granted it’s only just come to light and will take time), there needs to be an investigation, even if no one is charged, their needs to be evidence laid out for all to see such corruption. Given the divide, he needs to show the people the evidence because there are those out there who distrust President Trump and will deny it, at least if the evidence is laid out, such people wont gain any traction.
I hope there is an investigation and I hope the evidence is laid out for all to see, even if no one is charged for it.
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ProVobis
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Well then have it investigated and prosecuted if necessary. He’s the President.
Meanwhile the other investigations should continue.
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josh987654321
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When can it be and how can it be? the whole ‘disclosure’ thing goes both ways, and if it can’t be disclosed, then it’s simply hearsay and it’s up to whoever to simply believe whoever they want to believe.
There must be evidence for the public I believe, or this will only harm President Trump and his administration. And if it can’t be disclosed, it should never have been mentioned on twitter, because mentioning it on twitter is a form of disclosure already.
Like I said, I would not be surprised by this, but there needs to be evidence to back it up and the evidence needs to be able to be seen by the people with something as high a profile as this I think.
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josh987654321
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Also, for those who doubt this, if you were President Obama and thought that Trump was in collusion with Russia and possibly going to become President, could you not justify a wire tapping to better determine whether or not he was in actual collusion with Russia before possibly assuming the Presidency?
Which is why I do not doubt it. The real problem is the conflict of interest considering Obama campaigned and was in the tank for Clinton, so a wiretapping easily gives inside information to use against Trump in the campaign.
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Which is why I do not doubt it. The real problem is the conflict of interest considering Obama campaigned and was in the tank for Clinton, so a wiretapping easily gives inside information to use against Trump in the campaign.
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Thorolfr
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Obama’s spokesman already made it clear that no one at the White house including President Obama ordered a wiretap and that they maintained a clear separation from investigations taking place in the Justice Department. So it is certainly possible that a wiretap was ordered by Mr. Comey in the FBI or by someone from the NSA after getting permission from the FISC without Obama being in anyway involved in ordering such an investigation.
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queenofheartscv
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At least you have the honesty to admit trumps phone may indeed have been tapped.
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josh987654321
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Which would probably be the right way if a wiretapping occurred, however, I am very skeptical.
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queenofheartscv
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But how many posters have mocked and scoffed that trump had no evidence for the alleged wiretapping? Wait and more evidence will be coming out. This isn’t over. Democrats have met their match. Who would have known it would be someone with orange hair on TV who tweets a lot? God sure has a sense of humor.
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ProVobis
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Considering that Hillary was highly favored to win, would Obama have risked an otherwise scandal-free administration to have her win the election? I’m sure he realized that wiretapping can be traced.
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queenofheartscv
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He should also know that ex presidents are not supposed to set up a shadow government either but he does it anyway. Valerie Jarrett just moved in. He doesn’t even bother to hide. His legacy is too important to let anything or anyone get in the way.
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_Abyssinia
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Wow. Cathy Arue, who not that long ago appeared on ‘Watters World’ on Fox News said her White House source said, “There were concerns that Trump and his surrogates may have been colluding with the Russians as a possible bargaining chip to influence the election” and Arue then said that the wiretap had been done. This White House source was somebody Arue said had worked in the Obama administration for “seven and a half years” but that this source is, “not sure who secured the warrant”. This source also says, “The intelligence community did its due diligence given the threat of the Russian influence.”
By the way, if this wiretap did indeed take place… it looks like nothing of significance was found? Presumably this was done months ago? Nothing has come forward to implicate anybody involved in the Trump team in regards to the Russians from such an investigation.
Lt. Shaffer said that I think regarding President Obama that, “he at least was was tacitly uh knowledgable and therefore he is responsible. The buck stops with him. So I think we have to start with that premise. The President knew”.
And according to Lt. Scaffer, this was “due diligence” NOT “probable cause”.
Lt Shaffer also said, “There is just absolutely no possibility President Obama was not fully aware of what was going on and more importantly, that this was a fish fishing expedition, there was nothing factual to it.”
By the way, if this wiretap did indeed take place… it looks like nothing of significance was found? Presumably this was done months ago? Nothing has come forward to implicate anybody involved in the Trump team in regards to the Russians from such an investigation.
Lt. Shaffer said that I think regarding President Obama that, “he at least was was tacitly uh knowledgable and therefore he is responsible. The buck stops with him. So I think we have to start with that premise. The President knew”.
And according to Lt. Scaffer, this was “due diligence” NOT “probable cause”.
Lt Shaffer also said, “There is just absolutely no possibility President Obama was not fully aware of what was going on and more importantly, that this was a fish fishing expedition, there was nothing factual to it.”
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ProVobis
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Anyone can claim his phone was wiretapped. His hotel. He should be able to find evidence in his own hotel.At least you have the honesty to admit trumps phone may indeed have been tapped.
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queenofheartscv
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They probably figured given Trumps personality, they were bound to find something salacious, even if not any signs of collusion with Russia. They were probabaly shocked that nothing could be found. If they found anything scandalous at all, whether drugs, women, money, bad associations, whatsoever, it would have leaked out to hurt him.
There was one time Trump mentioned he always tells his boby guards and whole retinue that no matter where you go, you shouldn’t fool around because you’d find yourself on next days evening news. This is a man who knows how life rolls.
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dvdjs
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Do you actual have a source for this or is this just fantastic conjecture?
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dvdjs
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Seems like the POTUS has an exclusive right to do this.
abcnews.go.com/US/tweetstorm-trump-exercised-exclusive-declassification-authority/story?id=45912824
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