Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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LeafByNiggle said:
I noticed you did not cite any references for the “reports” you have been reading. “Some say” is not a very reliable source either. Do you have any more support for Trump’s irresponsible allegations than he did (which is none)?
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So? Do I have to go back through my browsing history and reference everything I write for who…you? You know there’s a thing called “google search” if you’re interested.

There’s names to “some say”.

Maybe try reading this thread to see the evidence provided to support Trump’s allegations. The MSM even supports it could be a possibility if there are FISA orders, which is being reporting by many in the MSM. So, I would not call it so “irresponsible”, if the MSM are reporting it and it’s false, is that “irresponsible”?
 
mwigs said:
So? Do I have to go back through my browsing history and reference everything I write for who…you? You know there’s a thing called “google search” if you’re interested.
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If you are interested in an authentic credibility your should cite the source of your reports.
Some may gobble up any “report” that confirms their biases, and others will reject anything that violates theirs. But if you want to be part of a serious discussion sources are important - epsecially when you are asked for them.
 
Saw this on television … where Levin lays it all out … point by point … using leakable information.

view.conservativereviewemail.com/?qs=1024a727fb3f55fb05c532ebbb7f58d1a38c66264103b0b6ea5578246232c6b3b003e2cc95dd54253cf8fbaef934a8c2c180262231f4fcda3a405005f0df46f0

If you leak actual FISA stuff, then you go to prison.

BUT if you leak “leakable” FISA stuff, then you are ok.

So the New York Times printed “leakable” FISA stuff.

Levin shows ten or so items of leakable stuff on live television.

Levin also said Trump should appoint a recess appointment deputy Attorney General to take charge.

And fire the Obama holdovers.
 
dvdjs said:
If you are interested in an authentic credibility your should cite the source of your reports.
Some may gobble up any “report” that confirms their biases, and others will reject anything that violates theirs. But if you want to be part of a serious discussion sources are important - epsecially when you are asked for them.
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I don’t care who accepts it or rejects it, I’m sure if even cited anti-Trump lefties on here would reject it anyways. If you care to know if it’s out there, and if I happened not to cite something because I didn’t have it up on my computer screen at the time of my posts then maybe look it up yourself - if one cares so much. It’s not that difficult.
 
mwigs said:
I don’t care who accepts it or rejects it, I’m sure if even cited anti-Trump lefties on here would reject it anyways. If you care to know if it’s out there, and if I happened not to cite something because I didn’t have it up on my computer screen at the time of my posts then maybe look it up yourself - if one cares so much. It’s not that difficult.
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When I googled, the top hits were all from alt-media, click-bait ad sites.
If you don’t care, that is fine.
 
When Richard Nixon was President Eisenhower’s vice president, Nixon was also head of the National Security Council and everything was top secret.

When Richard Nixon was running for president, he had a televised debate with then Senator John F. Kennedy.

Senator Kennedy was given an intelligence briefing by the CIA. He was told that the United States had a missile gap versus the Russians.

Nixon KNEW that there was NO SUCH THING as a missile gap nor a bomber gap, based on Top Secret information that he got from the CIA.

So CIA briefed Kennedy using FALSE INFORMATION.

Kennedy accused Nixon of the missile gap … WHICH DID NOT EXIST.

Nixon was forbidden to respond with the correct information.

Nixon lost the election.

BECAUSE Kennedy used false information deliberately provided to him by the CIA.

The situation regarding Trump Tower being bugged by NSA is very similar.

We are forbidden to know the truth.

Trump DOES KNOW THE TRUTH, but he is forbidden to reveal it.
 
dvdjs said:
When I googled, the top hits were all from alt-media, click-bait ad sites.
If you don’t care, that is fine.
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I don’t know what you are googling or what “alt-media” cites you’re referring to.

The fact that the FISCR was involved was talked about on Fox News with Jim Hanson, ABC wrote about it back in Nov., it’s out there.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
When Richard Nixon was President Eisenhower’s vice president, Nixon was also head of the National Security Council and everything was top secret.

When Richard Nixon was running for president, he had a televised debate with then Senator John F. Kennedy.

Senator Kennedy was given an intelligence briefing by the CIA. He was told that the United States had a missile gap versus the Russians.

Nixon KNEW that there was NO SUCH THING as a missile gap nor a bomber gap, based on Top Secret information that he got from the CIA.

So CIA briefed Kennedy using FALSE INFORMATION.

Kennedy accused Nixon of the missile gap … WHICH DID NOT EXIST.

Nixon was forbidden to respond with the correct information.

Nixon lost the election.

BECAUSE Kennedy used false information deliberately provided to him by the CIA.

The situation regarding Trump Tower being bugged by NSA is very similar.

We are forbidden to know the truth.

Trump DOES KNOW THE TRUTH, but he is forbidden to reveal it.
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I think he knows the truth too, they suspected it back in May according to the NYT, but Trump never said anything. According to Conservative Treehouse they believe Mike Rogers, head of the NSA, privately briefed Trump about the tapping shortly after the election?

theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/03/occams-razor-did-nsa-admiral-mike-rogers-warn-trump-on-november-17th-2016/#more-129469
 
mwigs said:
I don’t know what you are googling or what “alt-media” cites you’re referring to.

The fact that the FISCR was involved was talked about on Fox News with Jim Hanson, ABC wrote about it back in Nov., it’s out there.
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Your post included more that the existence of FISA requests, which had indeed been circulated for a long time. But you had other elements:
Reading reports that the FISA application rejected initially in June was appealed to the FISA review court and successfully appealed - by ALL Clinton appointee judges. Some reports saying the meeting on the tarmac with Loretta Lynch in June could have also been about this as well.
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dvdjs said:
Your post included more that the existence of FISA requests, which had indeed been circulated for a long time. But you had other elements:
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Correct, which has been covered by some outlets as mentioned.
 
mwigs said:
So? Do I have to go back through my browsing history and reference everything I write for who…you? You know there’s a thing called “google search” if you’re interested.

There’s names to “some say”.

Maybe try reading this thread to see the evidence provided to support Trump’s allegations. The MSM even supports it could be a possibility if there are FISA orders, which is being reporting by many in the MSM. So, I would not call it so “irresponsible”, if the MSM are reporting it and it’s false, is that “irresponsible”?
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You are the one making an assertion that no one, not even Trump, has been able to support. If you can’t support your assertions, just say “I think…”, or “in my opinion…” rather than stating things as facts without any references.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Sorry, but this video does not present any evidence. It is just another extremist trying desperately to rescue Trump’s wild speculations.
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One does note, however, that Obama has not actually denied that it happened or that he knew about it.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
You are the one making an assertion that no one, not even Trump, has been able to support. If you can’t support your assertions, just say “I think…”, or “in my opinion…” rather than stating things as facts without any references.
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I’m not making any assertion. This is not my opinion or something I think, I said it’s been reported on, which it has been. Search for yourself.

If you want to believe or not believe the reports then decide for yourself.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Sorry, but this video does not present any evidence. It is just another extremist trying desperately to rescue Trump’s wild speculations.
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Wild speculations? There have been numerous reporting going back to Nov on Obama’s administration seeking FISA warrants against Trump. It’s all public record. It’s far from wild speculations. No one knows what is or was in those FISA applications.

Did the MSM or intelligence mislead Trump with fake wiretapping stories? Or was the reporting accurate and Trump and or his campaign was spied on?
 
mwigs said:
Wild speculations? There have been numerous reporting going back to Nov on Obama’s administration seeking FISA warrants against Trump. It’s all public record. It’s far from wild speculations. No one knows what is or was in those FISA applications.
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There are some dots. Although even those are hazy: Trump, associates of Trump, …
Then the are the images made by connecting the dots, with great creativity.
It is the latter that are wild speculations: pivoting to the dots does not make the speculations any less wild.
 
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