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Michael68
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Yep, that’s the new spin on this. No use denying it, so deny who authorised it.
Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
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LeafByNiggle
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But Trump’s claim did say who authorized it, and that it was specifically against him. That is what is called taking a shred of truth and spinning it into a lie.
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Roseeurekacross
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Stupid watergate !
A real potential…
Comedians are so thanking Trump for the rich diversity of material being provided.
A real potential…
Comedians are so thanking Trump for the rich diversity of material being provided.
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queenofheartscv
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Who was it that said to Putin, “after the election I’ll have more flexibility?” Treason!
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queenofheartscv
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Which claim is more serious, Obama ordered a wire tap on trump, or trump worked with Russia to win the election?
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Bill1940
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CaptFun
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But I thought mwigs brought up a salient point.
The SAME paper that is trumpeting (no pun intended) the " … no proof" claim in its headlines NOW …
Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT MARCH 4, 2017
nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0
Were trumpeting the fact that there WERE wiretaps … on its front page … on no less than Inauguration Day itself!
thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/flashback-ny-times-front-page-headline-wiretapped-data-used-inquiry-trump-aides/ <Note the headline ABOVE the fold in the CENTER of NY Times Page ONE … January 20.
If there IS, as you say, NO evidence of a wiretap … The New York Times is guiltier than Trump for having brought it up in the first place and contradicting themselves in the second place. Deliciously funny to me … and serves them right!
FOUR NY Times reporters’ names are on the earlier story.
If there are hearings on the matter … call them all up and emphasize that THEIR story is where it all started.
LeafByNiggle
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The seriousness of a claim has no bearing on the believability of that claim. And that is what Ridgerunner was talking about (“it is just a question of who you believe”)
LeafByNiggle
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There are two separate claims here. One is that wiretaps may have been done on aids of Trump to determine connections with Russia. That is the claim of the first NY Times article. The second claim - the one made by Trump - is that Obama ordered a wiretap on Trump personally. That is the claim that is being denied. There is no contradiction by the NY Times to publish one claim and also publish that there is no support for the second claim.
Please do not cite anything on the gateway pundit website. It severs up virus ads Please find an alternate source for your info. Fortunately it is not hard, since the gateway pundit is not the only website with this NT Times article.
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mwigs
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The appearance is not clear one way or another based on a tweet or tweets.
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mwigs
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Trump did not use the the words order or authorized.
LeafByNiggle
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Trump’s first tweet said:
“Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower”
What’s false is “Obama” and “my wires”. Your wires weren’t tapped, Mr. Trump. It was your aids. And if there was any tapping done, Obama did not “have it done”.
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Jeanne_S
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Ridgerunner
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In that event, it depends on the credibility of the person saying it, particularly as evidenced by prior actions.
Trump has said a lot of things, and we can rightly discount some of them. But so far, at least, he has held true to his word in his actions. Obama, on the other hand, deliberately misled us all on Obamacare, treated the IRS as a political weapon and tapped James Rosen for, as near as we can tell, no reason other than that he was an outspoken political opponent.
But regardless, Trump has made his assertion regarding the wiretap, and Obama has not a) denied that there was a wiretap, or b) said he didn’t know about one.
But no matter what, it seems likely we’ll know in time.
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queenofheartscv
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Who was it that said to Putin, “I’ll have more flexibility after the election?”
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mwigs
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Wrong.
NYT January 20th: ““Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides”
From another NYT article on January 20th: “But The Times knew several critical facts: the F.B.I. had a sophisticated investigation underway on Trump’s organization, possibly including FISA warrants. (Some news outlets now report that the F.B.I. did indeed have such warrants, an indication of probable cause.)”
NYT March 4th: Michael Schmidt and Michael Shear wrote: “Trump believes the “deep state” intelligence community, staffed with holdovers from the Obama Administration, wiretapped several of his campaign associates because of a spurious article from Breitbart News. They continue to state in their article: “He was leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence.”, and “The official offered no evidence to support the notion that such an order exists.”
Yet the NYT previously wrote about such orders themselves, therefore the NYT has inadvertently attacked the credibility of its own reporting.
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Michael68
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Precisely
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mwigs
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Do you seed the words “ordered and authorized”?
It’s been reported that FISA applications exists and that the one in June sought included Trump.
The chances Obama had no clue about these FISA applications <0%.
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Expatreprocedit
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What would Obama’s motivation have been? It’s well-known that he and Hillary Clinton aren’t fond of each other. There’s no reason to think Obama cared that much about Clinton being elected.
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Faith1960
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He’s paranoid.I’m long past the point of being surprised at the ludicrous musings of Mr. Trump. Many people have said that Trump is temperamentally unfit for office, and he proves this point on an almost daily basis. God help our country.
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