Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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Expatreprocedit said:
What would Obama’s motivation have been? It’s well-known that he and Hillary Clinton aren’t fond of each other. There’s no reason to think Obama cared that much about Clinton being elected.
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So all that begging and pleading and crying to keep his legacy going was another Obama lie?
 
mwigs said:
Do you seed the words “ordered and authorized”?

It’s been reported that FISA applications exists and that the one in June sought included Trump.

The chances Obama had no clue about these FISA applications <0%.
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Except that it’s been illegal for a president to order electronic surveillance of a US citizen since Nixon resigned. The only the DoJ/FBI or another law enforcement agency can do that, and in order to do that they have to get a warrant from the FISA Court.

As for Obama not knowing about it, the FBI does not inform ANY president of on-going investigations.They usually don’t say anything until they arrest their target. Now, we know that the intelligence community went to Obama AFTER they’d found evidence showing contact between the Russians and some of Trumps cohorts, but Ryan and McConnell told Obama that if he went public, THEY would accuse him of attempting to upset the election.

Did you notice that the Director of the FBI, Comey, went on record to say that this “wire-tapp” DID NOT HAPPEN?

Trump’s nuttier than a fruitcake.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
What would Obama’s motivation have been? It’s well-known that he and Hillary Clinton aren’t fond of each other. There’s no reason to think Obama cared that much about Clinton being elected.
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Clinton would have been far more likely to follow Obama’s formulae than Trump will be, and Obama would have been stupid not to know that. And for sure and certain, she could have been counted on to promote abortion on demand just as much as Obama did. That’s the one most important tenet of the Dem party.
 
Magdalen2013 said:
Did you notice that the Director of the FBI, Comey, went on record to say that this “wire-tapp” DID NOT HAPPEN?
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His quoted words saying that, if you would, from a reputable source.

So far, all I have seen are hearsay on hearsay statements as to what Comey is said to have said, and so far both the FBI and DOJ have refused to comment on the subject.

So, it’s asserted “leakers” again, the unnamed “sources”.
 
Michael68 said:
So all that begging and pleading and crying to keep his legacy going was another Obama lie?
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It’s called campaign rhetoric. You know, sort of like “I’m going to put Hillary in jail”.
 
Ridgerunner said:
In that event, it depends on the credibility of the person saying it, particularly as evidenced by prior actions.

Trump has said a lot of things, and we can rightly discount some of them. But so far, at least, he has held true to his word in his actions.
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If you mean following through on campaign promises, then yes, he does appear to be starting to follow through on some of them, and it is too early to tell if he will hit them all. But that is not the issue. The issue is believability in reporting existing facts, not promises of future action. On that score Obama has not lied once. Trump - much worse.
Obama, on the other hand, deliberately misled us all on Obamacare…
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You may suspect that Obama knew at the time he said it that it was untrue. But one can also hold that Obama hoped it would be true, and as things progressed it did not turn out as he hoped. That is not the same thing as claiming an existing objective fact. On that score, when has Obama misinformed?
… treated the IRS as a political weapon and tapped James Rosen for, as near as we can tell, no reason other than that he was an outspoken political opponent…
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…has no bearing on Obama’s truthfulness.
But regardless, Trump has made his assertion regarding the wiretap, and Obama has not a) denied that there was a wiretap, or b) said he didn’t know about one.
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Yes. Trump has asserted. And you are inferring way too much for the absence of a reaction from a retired politician.
 
Magdalen2013 said:
Except that it’s been illegal for a president to order electronic surveillance of a US citizen since Nixon resigned. The only the DoJ/FBI or another law enforcement agency can do that, and in order to do that they have to get a warrant from the FISA Court.

As for Obama not knowing about it, the FBI does not inform ANY president of on-going investigations.They usually don’t say anything until they arrest their target. Now, we know that the intelligence community went to Obama AFTER they’d found evidence showing contact between the Russians and some of Trumps cohorts, but Ryan and McConnell told Obama that if he went public, THEY would accuse him of attempting to upset the election.

Did you notice that the Director of the FBI, Comey, went on record to say that this “wire-tapp” DID NOT HAPPEN?

Trump’s nuttier than a fruitcake.
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The NYTIMES must be nuttier than a fruitcake. They reported on wire taps
 
mwigs said:
Do you seed the words “ordered and authorized”?

It’s been reported that FISA applications exists and that the one in June sought included Trump.

The chances Obama had no clue about these FISA applications <0%.
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You are nitpicking. The point is Trump said Obama tapped Trump’s phone, and there is no evidence to back that up. The articles you cite do not give evidence to that effect.
 
Ridgerunner said:
One does note, however, that Obama has not actually denied that it happened or that he knew about it.
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He doesn’t have to. He’s supposedly having fun with Michelle and Richard Branson waterskiing somewhere. LOL. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Ridgerunner said:
His quoted words saying that, if you would, from a reputable source.

So far, all I have seen are hearsay on hearsay statements as to what Comey is said to have said, and so far both the FBI and DOJ have refused to comment on the subject.

So, it’s asserted “leakers” again, the unnamed “sources”.
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Your standards for accepting these statements stands in stark contrast to your much lower standards for accepting Trump’s statements.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Which claim is more serious, Obama ordered a wire tap on trump, or trump worked with Russia to win the election?
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If Trump committed treason, then so has Obama (many of the people here can fill you in in how that is.) :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Magdalen2013 said:
Except that it’s been illegal for a president to order electronic surveillance of a US citizen since Nixon resigned. The only the DoJ/FBI or another law enforcement agency can do that, and in order to do that they have to get a warrant from the FISA Court.

As for Obama not knowing about it, the FBI does not inform ANY president of on-going investigations.They usually don’t say anything until they arrest their target. Now, we know that the intelligence community went to Obama AFTER they’d found evidence showing contact between the Russians and some of Trumps cohorts, but Ryan and McConnell told Obama that if he went public, THEY would accuse him of attempting to upset the election.

Did you notice that the Director of the FBI, Comey, went on record to say that this “wire-tapp” DID NOT HAPPEN?

Trump’s nuttier than a fruitcake.
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No one is saying that it is legal for a President to “order” the surveillance of a US citizen, no one has said Obama “ordered or authorized” anything.

On-going criminal investigations are different than FISA applications/warrants. FISA applications can’t be used for “criminal investigations” - it’s a major no-no as some have already pointed out (Section 1809)

You seek surveillance through the use of Article III thru a federal court for criminal investigations, FISA’s are totally different and there are very strict limits on FISA’s.

A President one would hope would be very well aware of a FISA being sought by the FBI or DOJ given the fact why they are sought.

Once again a warrant for surveillance for criminal investigations is very different than a FISA warrant for surveillance.

Comey is not on record as of saying anything, he has made no official statement himself.
 
The investigations in all of the questionable actions of Obama &comp administration just started. This is only the beginning and it will bring on other investigations…
 
Michael68 said:
So all that begging and pleading and crying to keep his legacy going was another Obama lie?
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I think that may be another un-researched reason on why Hillary lost the election. Barry Obama (yeah, I called him THAT) only half-heartedly supported her during the election. He probably never fully forgave her for her husband snubbing him in 2008.

Personally I also think Obama also knew in his heart that Hillary darling did not have what it took to be President----she lacked her hubby’s political genius and his charisma—plus it was obvious she was suffering from some sort of ailment she desperately wanted to conceal from the American people----so he basically said to himself----“I’ll do my duty and support her for the sake of the party----but she sure as heck ain’t gonna win!” All he did throughout the campaign was talk about HIS record and accomplishments; very little about HER. Remember that. 🤷

My opinion and I’m sticking to it. 👍
 
Ion said:
The investigations in all of the questionable actions of Obama &comp administration just started. This is only the beginning and it will bring on other investigations…
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Praying ardently it will be so. :signofcross::signofcross:
 
LeafByNiggle said:
If you mean following through on campaign promises, then yes, he does appear to be starting to follow through on some of them, and it is too early to tell if he will hit them all. But that is not the issue. The issue is believability in reporting existing facts, not promises of future action. On that score Obama has not lied once. Trump - much worse.

You may suspect that Obama knew at the time he said it that it was untrue. But one can also hold that Obama hoped it would be true, and as things progressed it did not turn out as he hoped. That is not the same thing as claiming an existing objective fact. On that score, when has Obama misinformed?

…has no bearing on Obama’s truthfulness.

Yes. Trump has asserted. And you are inferring way too much for the absence of a reaction from a retired politician.
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There is no reason to believe Obama considers himself “retired”, and good reason to think he’s not. Why does Valerie Jarrett live in the same house if he’s “retired”? And why did he organize the Organization for Action, which is a clearly liberal political organization?

And Obama did not fail to react. He reacted evasively.
 
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