Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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LeafByNiggle said:
You are nitpicking. The point is Trump said Obama tapped Trump’s phone, and there is no evidence to back that up. The articles you cite do not give evidence to that effect.
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Just because Trump didn’t provide any evidence with his tweets does not mean there is no evidence. There are many reasons as to why he may not disclose evidence to the public as well.

The articles I have cited give evidence that if YOU believe their reporting FISA applications exists and or were sought. Now one can choose to believe these reports and or their sources or one can choose to believe that the reporting was “fake news” and/or “fake leaks”.

No one knows what exactly is in the FISA applications, of course that is if you believe there were FISA applications sought and or FISA warrants.

I’m sure one way or another the investigation by Congress will get to the bottom of it all.
 
Ridgerunner said:
There is no reason to believe Obama considers himself “retired”, and good reason to think he’s not. Why does Valerie Jarrett live in the same house if he’s “retired”? And why did he organize the Organization for Action, which is a clearly liberal political organization?

And Obama did not fail to react. He reacted evasively.
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He probably plots against Trump in-between waterskiing sessions and hobnobbing with Richard Branson. 😛

Trumps plots against Obama, too, but that is not what we are talking about here. 👍

LOL.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Your standards for accepting these statements stands in stark contrast to your much lower standards for accepting Trump’s statements.
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My request had nothing to do with Trump’s statements. The poster alleged that Comey said there was no wiretap. I asked for a direct quote from Comey saying that. It wasn’t produced, at least not yet.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
What does this have to do with Trump’s claims about Obama tapping Trump’s phone?
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I just really would like to hear an answer on this from democrats. If trump said this, he would have died on a crucifix by now.
 
Ridgerunner said:
There is no reason to believe Obama considers himself “retired”, and good reason to think he’s not. Why does Valerie Jarrett live in the same house if he’s “retired”? And why did he organize the Organization for Action, which is a clearly liberal political organization?
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Obama is retired as far as being a politician who is answerable to people making outrageous claims about him. I’m sure Obama has lots of activities planned as a non-politician.
And Obama did not fail to react. He reacted evasively.
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As I said before, please cite this “evasive” reaction so I know what you are referring to.
 
mwigs said:
Just because Trump didn’t provide any evidence with his tweets does not mean there is no evidence. There are many reasons as to why he may not disclose evidence to the public as well.
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Name such a reason for this particular reluctance to disclose where he gets this particular notion from.
The articles I have cited give evidence that if YOU believe their reporting FISA applications exists and or were sought.
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No, those articles do not give any evidence that Obama did anything in this regard. They do talk about possible NSA wiretaps, but the NSA does not need Presidential approval for all their actions.
No one knows what exactly is in the FISA applications…
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There is a lot that no one knows. That does not mean we need to start surmise what may be in them.
 
Ridgerunner said:
My request had nothing to do with Trump’s statements. The poster alleged that Comey said there was no wiretap. I asked for a direct quote from Comey saying that. It wasn’t produced, at least not yet.
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I realize that your request was not related to Trump’s statements. I was just observing how strict you are on getting authoritative sources for what Comey said, but you are not so strict on getting authoritative sources for Trump’s claims.
 
Michael68 said:
The NYTIMES must be nuttier than a fruitcake. They reported on wire taps
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They reported on wiretaps of Russian officials, as in the Jan. 20 article people seem to be pointing to as proof. Those wiretaps were not of Trump Tower but of Russian officials that anyone on the Trump campaign would (or should) have known calls with would have American ears listening.

The NYT has mentioned the possibility of a FISA warrant related to an investigation of someone in Trump’s administration or campaign but had no details. They have not reported that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower as Trump claimed.
 
mwigs said:
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NYT March 4th: Michael Schmidt and Michael Shear wrote: “Trump believes the “deep state” intelligence community, staffed with holdovers from the Obama Administration, wiretapped several of his campaign associates because of a spurious article from Breitbart News. They continue to state in their article: “He was leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence.”, and “The official offered no evidence to support the notion that such an order exists.”

Yet the NYT previously wrote about such orders themselves, therefore the NYT has inadvertently attacked the credibility of its own reporting.
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Naughty, Naughty, naughty…

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NYT March 4th: Michael Schmidt and Michael Shear wrote: “Trump believes the “deep state” intelligence community, staffed with holdovers from the Obama Administration, wiretapped several of his campaign associates because of a spurious article from Breitbart News. They continue to state in their article: “He was leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence.”, and “The official offered no evidence to support the notion that such an order exists.”
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It seems like you are quoting Schmidt and Shear when you say that the "wrote: ‘Trump the “deep state” intelligence community, staffed with holdovers from the Obama Administration, wiretapped several of his campaign associates …’ ".
But you aren’t. That is a quote, more or less, that is running around the alt-right media sites.

Here is a link to the NYT article.
nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html
They do not talk of Trump claiming, without evidence, that the Obama administration tapped several of his associates. The say:
Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones
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And that is, of course what Trump claimed, and more, in his tweets.

It is naughty to change what they wrote, Trump said into something else, which only after adulteration stands in contradiction to prior NYT reporting. If you look, honestly, at what Trump tweeted and what S&S wrote, the contradiction that you - and the rest of the alt-right media are trumpeting - doesn’t actually exist. It is FAKE.
 
Jeanne_S said:
He didn’t lie.He answered all the questions asked of him honestly and appropriately.He wasn’t asked anything about this issue soecifically
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At the very least he dissembled. And that is bad since he has claimed that he is very careful about giving the whole truth in his testimony. And he realizes his predicament. That is why he has altered his testimony.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Name such a reason for this particular reluctance to disclose where he gets this particular notion from.

No, those articles do not give any evidence that Obama did anything in this regard. They do talk about possible NSA wiretaps, but the NSA does not need Presidential approval for all their actions.

There is a lot that no one knows. That does not mean we need to start surmise what may be in them.
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Name such a reason for this particular reluctance to disclose where he gets this particular notion from.
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I hate to sort of cut in here, LbN, but maybe (to sound conspiratorial and all of that) maybe he IS quietly assembling together evidence that he knows will prove his case----maybe it will take him a while?

Also (to sound even more conspiratorial here), maybe he is secretly and subtly protecting himself and his family from people who would kill him if he released information that would harm Obama and the “people” who made him?

(Cue ominous music------but I’m serious here. And you can call me a conspiracy theorist if you like------but history has taught us that there are more things in heaven and earth, so to speak and all of that jazz----who’s to say there is no cabal of people who run this country secretly and use BOTH sides to their advantages. They would not want certain information put out—would they?):p:o
 
dvdjs said:
Huh?? He did say that Obama tapped his wires.
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But he didn’t say to Putin, “I’ll have more flexibility after the election.” Obama said that. If anybody had ties to Russia, it should have been Obama.
 
queenofheartscv said:
But he didn’t say to Putin, “I’ll have more flexibility after the election.” Obama said that. If anybody had ties to Russia, it should have been Obama.
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Of course he had ties. That is part of diplomacy. Try to get a grasp on the issues here.
 
queenofheartscv said:
I just really would like to hear an answer on this from democrats. If trump said this, he would have died on a crucifix by now.
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If you will recall, Trump implied that Ted Cruz’s father was complicit in the JFK assassination, and he ended up being elected, so, no, the gross double-standard you are positing does not exist.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I hate to sort of cut in here, LbN, but maybe (to sound conspiratorial and all of that) maybe he IS quietly assembling together evidence that he knows will prove his case----maybe it will take him a while?
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If that were the case, why would he tweet his claims in public before he is ready to present his evidence? If he really is trying to assemble evidence, doesn’t going public like this make his job a lot harder?
Also (to sound even more conspiratorial here), maybe he is secretly and subtly protecting himself and his family from people who would kill him if he released information that would harm Obama and the “people” who made him?
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All the more reason for him to keep quiet about the whole thing until he had enough evidence to ensure his protection.
 
dvdjs said:
Of course he had ties. That is part of diplomacy. Try to get a grasp on the issues here.
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lmao, I haven’t had time to follow all of this thread, but just reading these few posts such as this one, lol talk about hypocrisy and double standards. Diplomacy for Obama, but Collusion for Trump lol.
 
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