Trump Alarms Lawmakers With Disparaging Words for Haiti and Africa

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It’s a very sane question when looking at immigrants (not refugees).

I like the systems used in Canada and Australia, where they rate the person on their education and skills, selecting those that will likely fill select needs and be contributors.
 
You don’t see anything wrong with the President referring to other countries as “shitholes”?
 
How does that contradict what I said?

The euphemism is crude, but it makes the same point as my post.
 
Theo520 said:
The euphemism is crude, but it makes the same point as my post.
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eu·phe·mism
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noun
a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing.
““downsizing” as a euphemism for cuts”
synonyms: polite term, indirect term, circumlocution, substitute, alternative, understatement, genteelism
“‘influential person’ is the local euphemism for underworld don”

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At first I thought If they just took his phone away, life would be better. Not so.
 
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You don’t see anything wrong with the President referring to other countries as “shitholes”?
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When people leave their own countries in droves in leaky boats, on inner tubes in shark-infested water, in cargo containers packed together like sardines, they’re doing it exactly because their countries are “s**tholes” and they probably say the same themselves. In another thread, WaPo was credited with adding El Salvador to the list, perhaps other. But WaPo has a paywall, so I couldn’t read it to see for sure.

And any congressperson who pretends to have taken to his/her fainting couch over the language or the statement itself, is nothing but a hypocrite. And so is NYT and WaPo.

But language aside, the question is whether this country’s immigration policies should favor people with no skills and from culturally alien countries instead of people who can add something to the economy?

This reminds me of a story, understanding as I do that someone will critique the metaphor. Long ago when I was in banking, I took heat from an examiner for not being harder on people with minor delinquencies in payment. I told him I didn’t think being hard about inconsequential and temporary delinquencies was serving the public very well.

I never forgot his response. He said “You don’t understand. If you give slack to people go who can pay if you press them, your ratio goes up and then you can’t extend forbearance to people who really need it. You’re using up your delinquency ratio on people who don’t.”

Now, thinking this out again. If the U.S. expends its immigrant-carrying capacity on people who don’t really contribute to speak of, but who would benefit from being here without being in really dire straits where they came from, its ability to help those in truly dire need is diminished. If, instead, we ensure that highly productive people are admitted in large numbers, we enhance our ability to help those who are the absolute worst off, and we help our own while we’re doing it.

And when we try to make it all a racial thing, we’re just making cheap talking points, exacerbating divisions in this country, and all for political reasons that in no way benefit people of any race.

Trump has spoken favorably about highly skilled immigrants from India. Now, while Indians are “white” in a genetic sense, the appearance of many of them decidedly is not. When has Trump ever talked about excluding Asians? I have never seen it.

Likely if one asked him straight out which he would prefer, a program writer from India or a doctor from the Philippines or an illiterate manual laborer from lily-white Romania, he would favor the first two over the third.

But to hate Trump is to call him a racist or any other name we have all been trained to recoil from like a bunch of lemmings running over a cliff to escape a sea bird because it has wings like a hawk’s.
 
PaulinVA said:
At first I thought If they just took his phone away, life would be better. Not so.
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Of course, no congressman ever swears. It’s a wonder any of them survived hearing the word Harry Truman used constantly. Of course, Truman’s wife induced him to say “manure” most of the time after years of working on him.
 
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And any congressperson who pretends to have taken to his/her fainting couch over the language or the statement itself, is nothing but a hypocrite. And so is NYT and WaPo.
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How so?
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If the U.S. expends its immigrant-carrying capacity
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What is the U.S.'s immigrant-carry capacity? Also, what are your opinions on the world’s overpopulation problem?
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And when we try to make it all a racial thing, we’re just making cheap talking points, exacerbating divisions in this country, and all for political reasons that in no way benefit people of any race.
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We’re not making it a racial thing, Trump’s continued disparaging remarks about people of color are making it a racial thing. The White House doubling down in its response to these remarks by saying they will resonate with Trump’s supporters does not paint his supporters in a good light.
 
No,you are projecting .Trump never once mentioned the race of Haitians ,merely that their country was ,shall I say,a less than desirable place to live.
 
I wonder why he thinks Haiti and African countries are undesirable places to live? What do they share in common?
 
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Some years ago a community of Haitian refugees took root in Marin County, CA. They are a culturally humble, kind, and patient people. Many of them found employment in a retirement community that was establish almost a 100 years ago by the Danish benevolent society where they were highly valued for their nursing skills, their dignified relationships, and their commitment to caring for the fragile elderly. Some of their children became artists, writers, entrepreneurial chefs, and doctors. Their presence has blessed and enriched the community that welcomed them to this country and educated their children.

The comments made by Trump regarding these lovely people are unwarranted and indefensible. Shame on him.
 
You are confused, he disparaged the country, not the populace.

Did you ever ask them why they didn’t return to their ‘paradise’?
 
I keep wondering at what point will Trump finally cross that line that he will lose his supporters here.

Today, I am convinced there is no such line.
 
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Today, I am convinced there is no such line.
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what option do they have?

i am never hillary

trump was the lesser of two evils.

i expect him to act like he always has. why would he change? you knew going in what you were getting. he is still better for the religious than hillary.

ymmv
 
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