Trump Alarms Lawmakers With Disparaging Words for Haiti and Africa

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One would think that the US has come further in dealing with the guilt and shame of slavery, but most American histories ignore it, or pass over it.

Today I am at a conference on sex trafficking, and there was a speaker that talked about how Native Americans were used and abused in this way by Colonists.
Others would hope that you start living in the present century.
Slavery is taught to all school children, it’s not a secret.

I have no reason to feel guilty about US Slavery.
I’d wager that nobody alive has reason to feel guilty.
We finally recognized it was wrong and changed our practices.
Heck, none of my relatives were even here.

I also don’t think living Italians should feel guilty about what their ancestors did to most of the known world, etc etc.

Well, maybe if you are of Assyrian descent you should still feel guilty. Now they were brutal. 😳
 
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It helps to make sense of it when you realize the people who say this aren’t talking about U.S. culture but “white” culture. They just don’t want black people to emigrate here.
A rash judgment entirely.
 
One would think that the US has come further in dealing with the guilt and shame of slavery, but most American histories ignore it, or pass over it.

Today I am at a conference on sex trafficking, and there was a speaker that talked about how Native Americans were used and abused in this way by Colonists.
I personally blame the fallacy of the Lost Cause and the failures of Grant’s administration to protect the rights on newly freed slaves. Basically, they let the South slip back into quasi-slavery and ingrained prejudices that continue to our day.

But, largely, I think there is a resistance to say our own past was pretty horrible. Maybe we don’t want to feel bad about ourselves. Maybe we don’t want to feel bad about our ancestors, but we rarely look at the past with a very critical eye.
 
I personally blame the fallacy of the Lost Cause and the failures of Grant’s administration to protect the rights on newly freed slaves. Basically, they let the South slip back into quasi-slavery and ingrained prejudices that continue to our day.
The south?

The north was, and remains, more segregated than the South ever was. In the north, blacks live in solid-black neighborhoods in which there is not enough employment, not enough security, not enough of anything except abortionists provided by politicians. And it has been that way since at least WWI.

And people still pretend that it’s a product of “the south”.
 
Blacks and whites have lived together in South Carolina for 350 years now. I lived for a year in Columbia, SC. They get along fairly well and better than in a lot of other places. The Pacific states and most northern states are definitely more segregated than South Carolina.

I feel no sense of shame or guilt regarding slavery. Most of my ancestors came over after the Civil War; the (very) few that were there before that definitely didn’t own slaves. About slavery itself, what’s done is done, it’s water under the bridge, it’s been long since time to move on from that and many blacks do.

If I don’t want to associate with poor blacks, is that racist? If I don’t want to date a ghetto girl, is that racist? Even if I don’t want to hang out with the poor in general? If I find some citizens in Minneapolis no longer wanting to live near the Somalians, is that racist? Or is that just a desire to get away from poorly behaved people?

If a black person starts making jokes about “crackers”, is that racist?

Finally, everyone has some degree of racism builtin. It manifests itself in the preference for people who look like themselves.
 
I feel no sense of shame or guilt regarding slavery. Most of my ancestors…
There’s no merit in feeling shame or guilt for the acts of one’s ancestors. Guilt and shame for the acts of that era belong in that era.
 
But, largely, I think there is a resistance to say our own past was pretty horrible. Maybe we don’t want to feel bad about ourselves. Maybe we don’t want to feel bad about our ancestors, but we rarely look at the past with a very critical eye.
I have no problem saying our past was horrible, BY TODAY’S STANDARDS.

I’m just not going to feel guilty about what life was like in centuries past.
 
on newly freed slaves. Basically, they let the South slip back into quasi-slavery and ingrained prejudices that continue to our day.

But, largely, I think there is a resistance to say our own past was pretty horrible. Maybe we don’t want to feel
I never learned what was done to the Native Americans that were displaced from Plymouth Colony to the present day when I was in school. We want to hold out some sort of moral superiority without taking responsibility for what we, as a country, culture, and society have done to the First Peoples of this continent or to give credit to Africans, upon whose backs our country was built. Mr. Trump is, much to his chagrin I am sure, living in a house built by slaves.
If I don’t want to associate with poor blacks, is that racist?
One has to wonder why you would find such persons deficient company?
If I don’t want to date a ghetto girl, is that racist?
Are you suggesting all people who live in ghettos are black?
Even if I don’t want to hang out with the poor in general?
Is this attitude consistent with the teachings and model of Jesus?
If I find some citizens in Minneapolis no longer wanting to live near the Somalians, is that racist?
It certainly sounds like it could be.
Or is that just a desire to get away from poorly behaved people?
Are you suggesting that all Somalians are poorly behaved? That would seem to qualify as a prejudicial attitude.
If a black person starts making jokes about “crackers”, is that racist?
It is certainly a racist behavior. I suppose if they are doing stand up comedy it could be exempted.

Face it, we all have internalized racism. The best way to address it is to have honest self examination and work to correct these prejudicial attitudes. We are tribal beings and tend to be suspicious of those who are not members of ours.
 
Are you suggesting all people who live in ghettos are black?
You’re putting words in my mouth.
Are you suggesting that all Somalians are poorly behaved? That would seem to qualify as a prejudicial attitude.
The Somalian community in Minneapolis is mostly in the Cedar Riverside neighborhood. Go take an apartment there for six months then get back to us. They’re not all like that, true, and I did not say they are, thanks for putting words in my mouth again. But enough of them are poorly behaved to make an impact felt widely. Every time I did a job in that neighborhood, I was glad to be out of there when done. We never should have admitted them in the numbers we did.

Minnesotans are good-hearted people in general; they are a very high trust/high cooperation society. They took in refugees and migrants from Central Americans, Mexicans, Hmong, East Indians, Laotian, Chinese and so on, but they can be pushed too far. As is happening over the Somalians. Who are a low trust, low cooperation society. Trump came within 10000 votes of taking Minnesota from Hillary and the Somalians’ behaviors are one of the big reasons why this formerly ultra-liberal state came so close to going for Trump.
It is certainly a racist behavior. I suppose if they are doing stand up comedy it could be exempted.
Exempted, huh? okay. What about the white person who uses the N word during a stand up comedy show? You going to cut him some slack too? Or does that only go one way?
 
Exempted, huh? okay. What about the white person who uses the N word during a stand up comedy show? You going to cut him some slack too? Or does that only go one way?
Or the stand up comic who hams a grope for the camera? Oh yea, no exemptions for sexist humor.
 
If racism is a bad thing, why do you exempt stand up comedy?
I don’t, and I don’t enjoy it. I am thinking of an example of a statement that might be made to poke fun at racism that might be made in a comedic venue.

Kinda like “you know you are a redneck if…”
 

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Three weeks after college, I flew to Senegal, West Africa, to run a community center in a rural town. Life was placid, with no danger, except to your health. That danger was considerable, because it was, in the words of the Peace Corps doctor, “a fecalized environment.”

In plain English: s— is everywhere. People defecate on the open ground, and the feces is blown with the dust – onto you, your clothes, your food, the water. He warned us the first day of training: do not even touch water. Human feces carries parasites that bore through your skin and cause organ failure.

Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that a few decades later, liberals would be pushing the lie that Western civilization is no better than a third-world country. Or would teach two generations of our kids that loving your own culture and wanting to preserve it are racism.

I have seen. I am not turning my head and pretending unpleasant things are not true.
The Ten Commandments were not disobeyed – they were unknown. The value system was the exact opposite. You were supposed to steal everything you can to give to your own relatives. There are some Westernized Africans who try to rebel against the system. They fail.

We hear a lot about the kleptocratic elites of Africa. The kleptocracy extends through the whole society. My town had a medical clinic donated by international agencies. The medicine was stolen by the medical workers and sold to the local store. If you were sick and didn’t have money, drop dead. That was normal.

In Senegal, corruption ruled, from top to bottom. Go to the post office, and the clerk would name an outrageous price for a stamp. After paying the bribe, you still didn’t know it if it would be mailed or thrown out. That was normal.

We think the Protestant work ethic is universal. It’s not. My town was full of young men doing nothing. They were waiting for a government job. There was no private enterprise. Private business was not illegal, just impossible, given the nightmare of a third-world bureaucratic kleptocracy. It is also incompatible with Senegalese insistence on taking care of relatives.

All the little stores in Senegal were owned by Mauritanians. If a Senegalese wanted to run a little store, he’d go to another country. The reason? Your friends and relatives would ask you for stuff for free, and you would have to say yes. End of your business. You are not allowed to be a selfish individual and say no to relatives. The result: Everyone has nothing.

The more I worked there and visited government officials doing absolutely nothing, the more I realized that no one in Senegal had the idea that a job means work. A job is something given to you by a relative. It provides the place where you steal everything to give back to your family.

I couldn’t wait to get home. So why would I want to bring Africa here? Non-Westerners do not magically become American by arriving on our shores with a visa.
 
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Sounds like a terrible candidate for the Peace Corps. My travels in Senegal and The Gambia to visit a friend and a relative who were PCVs were lovely.
 
I worked in the region and people died like flies. Including the Americans.
 
tse-tse

Read up on the Tsetse fly.


So, I was walking down a dry creek bed … in West Africa … with a bunch of other people. Suddenly all of the local people “dematerialized”.

They just disappeared. Instantly vanished.

One of our group asked, “What did he say???”

I was just as puzzled.

But then I noticed a cow flop … covered with flies.

And I said, “He said ‘tse-tse’.”

That was my first exposure to tse-tse flies.
 
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Read up on sleeping sickness.

http://africatimes.com/2017/02/21/b...center-in-high-tech-fight-against-tsetse-fly/

It is my understanding that 20% of the people in Burkina Faso … formerly knows as Upper Volta … have sleeping sickness.

It’s hard to imagine why anyone would intentionally produce 300,000 tsetse flies per week, but that’s exactly what they’re doing at a new facility in Burkina Faso.

The country has inaugurated the breeding facility at Bobo-Dioulasso, where radiation is used to make the male flies sterile. They then are released to mate with females in the natural environment, causing the tsetse fly population to be reduced over time. The Sterile Insect Technique (SIT) is essentially a form of insect birth control that is used to help eradicate diseases transmitted by the insects.

The tsetse is a major concern with an impact on agriculture, livestock and humans that interferes with development efforts, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

The fly kills more than 3 million livestock across sub-Saharan Africa each year, which translates into agricultural industry losses of USD $4.5 billion. The tsetse transmit nagana, a parasitic wasting disease in cattle, and in some regions also the spread of human “sleeping sickness.”

The IAEA has been working with Burkina Faso since the 1990s to develop and implement the nuclear-based sterilization technique.

Through its joint program with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), the IAEA also supported the successful targeted eradication of tsetse from the Island of Unguja, Zanzibar, and is currently also helping Senegal and Ethiopia.

In Ethiopia, a special drone program is being used to drop the sterilized males at target locations. Using the drones designed by Embention helps to reduce the costs of the program while improving the precision of the fly-seeding effort.
 
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