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Sy_Noe
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That’s a scientific poll too, right? I think I remember you posting that poll last time as well and you commented she won the only scientific ones of the night.
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Beryllos
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The moderator was great.
The audience was undisciplined and rude.
You guys have pretty much covered the debate except for the closing statements.
Hillary Clinton’s closing statement was positive, hopeful, the American dream. Empty promises too, but no negativity and no mention of her opponent.
Donald Trump began and ended his closing statement with negative remarks about his opponent. He spoke of problems we face, and delivered his trademark promise to make America great again.
The audience was undisciplined and rude.
You guys have pretty much covered the debate except for the closing statements.
Hillary Clinton’s closing statement was positive, hopeful, the American dream. Empty promises too, but no negativity and no mention of her opponent.
Donald Trump began and ended his closing statement with negative remarks about his opponent. He spoke of problems we face, and delivered his trademark promise to make America great again.
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Sy_Noe
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Hmmm… maybe because there was no need to recount when she won by over 3 million votes nationwide and a 55% to 45% margin among Democratic primary voters. And I say that as someone who is a Bernie Sanders fan. But this thread is not about Bernie Sanders.
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Michael68
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They seem to forget that!
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Sy_Noe
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Nope no one forgets. See post 92.
And Trump supporters’ arguments are a revision of history. Gore was largely lauded for pursuing – and ultimately dropping – his challenge to the election results in 2000. Florida’s vote count that year showed Gore losing by a fraction of a percentage point to Bush, just a few hundred votes. Gore pursued a recount and legal options, before accepting defeat after the Supreme Court ruled.
“I accept the finality of the outcome, which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College,” Gore said on Dec. 13, 2000. “And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.”
politico.com/story/2016/10/al-gore-donald-trump-results-230062
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Songcatcher
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Nope.
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
IBD/TIPP 10/13 - 10/18 782 LV 3.6 44 41 Clinton +3
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/12 - 10/18 3019 LV 4.5 44 44 Tie
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10
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RCinMT
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How would not recognizing her victory threaten Constitutional government? How would having her jailed for the crimes she has committed be worrisome?
Further, the concept of constitutional government, government with the consent of the governed, is already entirely eroded. Breathtakingly aggregious executive orders undermining states rights. An unelected judicial branch making up laws and rights. The directors of the EEOC and Civil Rights Commission, both of whom will remain in their posts under Clinton, flat out making statements that propose a redefinition of freedom of religion as freedom of worship, a complete stripping away of protection for conscience.
And the most radical pro-abortion platform ever put forward, including taxpayer funded abortions.
No, fellow Catholic, I am not concerned about the Constituion as the dems, as is their want, have successfully euthanized it.
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Padres1969
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What polls have you been reading? Even Rasmussen had Clinton ahead for some time before the debate.
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Padres1969
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Yep, every headline I’ve seen has grabbed on to the statements by Trump about not agreeing to abide by the election results. Nothing else’s discussed will end up mattering. Trump shot his own campaign in the back yet again.
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Gertabelle
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Thanks for taking the high road on this. We should all not only pray for one another, but also remember as we post here that these people we are slamming are our brothers and sisters in Christ, each with his/her own personal, intimate relationship with Christ. Beware the wrath of the Big Brother (Our Lord) as we choose our words, and lest we pass judgment on another’s soul.
Praying for everyone here.
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7_Sorrows
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That is CNN. What else would you expect? They have to show Clinton ahead.
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Sy_Noe
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Well I guess 1 tie by a poll that has been an outlier all season doesn’t count as a lead?
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Thorolfr
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Hillary also won according to the CNN/ORC poll:
cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/hillary-clinton-wins-third-presidential-debate-according-to-cnn-orc-poll/index.html
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Sy_Noe
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Thanks for taking the high road on this. We should all not only pray for one another, but also remember as we post here that these people we are slamming are our brothers and sisters in Christ, each with his/her own personal, intimate relationship with Christ. Beware the wrath of the Big Brother (Our Lord) as we choose our words, and lest we pass judgment on another’s soul.
Praying for everyone here.
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oneofmany
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Al Gore didn’t and it should have been pointed out. Heck, Gore sued to get a recount that went on and on.
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Gertabelle
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Yes. That is how the peaceful transfer of power takes place.
Our Constitution allows for the impeachment (and possible removal) of a president suspected of committing criminal acts. Until that happens, we accept that the person elected by the people is the president.
And if it wasn’t the candidate you wanted, you have two choices:
- Start campaigning for the 2020 election.
- Take up arms and attempt an overthrow of the government.
My draw dropped into my lap when I heard Trump say he would not commit to accepting the outcome of the election.
The peaceful transfer of power is at the foundation of our country’s governmental system.
Seriously, I have been afraid of Trump’s power since the primaries – and I am absolutely NOT a conspiracy theory type of person. In this house, we mock conspiracy theorists for fun!
But he has so much power with his money and his connections. To hear him spout rhetoric like this just strikes me as terrifying and possibly even foreboding.
Praying and praying and praying…
And making sure we have our emergency preparedness supplies in order in case the country dissolves into anarchy and violence on November 9 when it’s confirmed that HC has won the election… or if there’s a zombie apocalypse… or a 3-day blizzard.
In any event, we’ll be prepared.
And for now, I’m voting for Evan McMullin. He won’t win, but at least I’ll have a clear conscience.
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Michael68
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All this whining and crying about what if. Al Gore actually did it. Where’s all the whining and crying over that “crisis”?
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oneofmany
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He said he would appoint a commission to look into what she did. He knows he can’t lock her up just like that.
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Sy_Noe
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On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount. The Florida Supreme Court ordered only a recount of so-called “undervotes,” about 62,000 ballots where voting machines didn’t detect any vote for a presidential candidate.
The newspaper said that Gore might have won narrowly if lenient standards were used that counted every mark on a ballot. “But,” it said, “Gore could not have won without a hand count of overvote ballots, something that he did not request.”
factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/
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