Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread

[jeannetherese]

You commented on 7 Sorrows’ remarks that she was wearing white. She also wore white on the evening she accepted the nomination for President. It’s very intentional - aren’t you aware?

The suffragettes all wore white as they fought and were jailed and sometimes killed for their fight for women’s rights. It is a very strong feminist statement Mrs Clinton is making.

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Given that suffragettes such as Susan B. Anthony were adamant that killing babies was not a path to rights for women, I’m not sure that Mrs. Clinton quite belongs in that camp.
After all, roughly 1 of every two of those murdered children is female. Perhaps, in the eyes of those pro-abortion, some females are more life (and the rights which attend to being alive) worthy than others?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Fear of being attacked for going to Mass? Isn’t that a bit hyperbolic? I mean… I can sort of see the “they’ll make our schools insurance cover birth control and that’s violating my religious freedom” argument. But being physically attacked for attending church?

And as for babies… I don’t understand why everyone thinks Trump will support pro-life policies. He changes his tune whenever it’s politically convenient for him. To whit… Meet the Press in 1999. youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE

Yes, he’s waving the pro-life banner now. But will that pandering actually materialize under a Trump administration?

catholic.org/news/international/europe/story.php?id=70073

As for the pro life aspect. We spend hours in front of the blessed sacrament, we articulate our arguments we pray for conversions of hearts and then when someone changes thier mind about abortion they are not to be trusted? Well I trust Hillary when it comes to abortion. I trust her when she says what she says. I believe her 100 percent.

 

[Rhubarb]

catholic.org/news/international/europe/story.php?id=70073

As for the pro life aspect. We spend hours in front of the blessed sacrament, we articulate our arguments we pray for conversions of hearts and then when someone changes thier mind about abortion they are not to be trusted? Well I trust Hillary when it comes to abortion. I trust her when she says what she says. I believe her 100 percent.

I don’t see the connection between a terrorist attach in France, and how that means a Clinton presidency means average joe six-pack people in the US will be assaulted for going to church. Without a lot of hand-waving and over-reaching.

And perhaps I’m just more cynical, but I just can’t give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has changed their tune so many times in this election cycle alone, let alone recent memory. Though I will concede that for the anti-abortionist it is reasonable to say “even if there’s a chance he’ll stay true to the pro-life movement, that’s better than someone who definitely is pro-choice.”

 

[2_RollinStoned]

Yes, it’s really black and white. I would hope every pro-life individual stand united with all of us and with Trump & Pence, because there is a real chance here, not just words. If not now, when? if not Trump & Pence, who?

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

Only if you believe Trump is not lying and he’s been caught out repeatedly in misstatements all along. Remember, this is the guy who said early on that he saw “thousands and thousands of Muslims in New Jersey” celebrating on 9/11. Yet that never happened. He has never recanted. Do you really think that someone that disconnected from reality is a good candidate for dog catcher…much less president? I don’t…

Trump says “No one has more respect for women than I do…” and the audience laughs.

As well they should after his remarks on that Access Hollywood tape from 2005 and the 9 women who now have spoken out about his misconduct.

There’s going to be the biggest hue and cry and jumping up and down from all of the National and Local Cable (including Fox News) and TV Media for at least the next 5 days and beyond.

But the Republican candidate spoke the Truth: his U.S. Supreme Court Justices will overturn Roe v. Wade

and it will go to the states to decide individually on abortion.I don’t see it happening no matter who wins. It’s scare mongering…

I thought Trump trounced her, but then again, if you don’t have a problem with late term abortion, same sex marriage, what amounts to amnesty for illegal aliens, and possible war with Russia

, I can see where you might not agree.Project much? The lady said “a path to citizenship” not amnesty. I disagree with your assessment of the debate. Trump lost it after the first half hour…

Mike Wallace did a great job as moderator.

Indeed! the best so far!

You won’t be laughing if you live long enough to see America dominated by Islam rather than the Christianity. Then you might recall Trump in a favorable light.

Not a chance, but based on the rampant immorality and injustices in our nation look and see what God has said in the Bible in places like Jeremiah 9:2-9 and Isaiah 9:6-13 all of which can very easily be applied to our nation (and most of the western world)

Do you have any idea how many Muslims there are in the US?

I don’t think you need fear the United States of America turning into the Islamic Republic of America any time soon.

And anyone who tells you otherwise must be a scaremongering bigot if you ask me.

I agree. Lots of things might go wrong but that ain’t one of them. The fact is that we are our own worst enemies and this election is exemplary of it.

Not thrilled, but I would rather be calling her Madam President as appears probable than him Mr. President. Luckily this mess is almost over… at least for another three years

Thanks Be To God!

Trump is a maverick for sure but not the fool you think. He’ll contest election result if not elected.

Yeah, which again shows his lack of respect for the rule of law. Never in our 240 year history has anyone done so, which is actually one of the things that has surprised most other nations and been one of the marks of American greatness, but only someone who does not respect the constitution would threaten such a thing. But that defines Trump…

This also from the man that espouses the use of torture and again showed his contempt for the rule of law when he declared that military commanders would obey him if he ordered them to torture. The fact is that they can and should refuse any such illegal orders and he is dead wrong to assert that he will order it.

 

[2_RollinStoned]

Where have you been? Do you have any idea what has happened to Europe lately? Or France and UK in the past 15 years?

Spare me and others name calling…I’m not calling you names.

We are neither of those countries, so it’s irrelevant.

Exactly. If the election actually gets rigged and she wins because of voter fraud, than why would Trump just back off and be okay with that? He was right to say that he will wait and see. I’d expect her to wait and see as well.

Except that that allegation has been refuted by every fact checker out there. It hasn’t happened and it won’t happen this time.

My favorite post-debate comment came from conservative talk show host (and Trump supporter) Hugh Hewitt, commenting on Mr. Trump’s refusal to say that he would accept the result of the election no matter who won:

"I was prepared to say that he won 14 out of 15 rounds, but then he hit himself in the head and knocked himself out.

"He’s correct right there…

Trump’s refusal to accept the election results is chilling. Truly beyond the pale.

As noted in my last post…this has never happened in 240 years and is defiant of constitutional law. He makes all these baseless allegations and has done so the entire campaign…lots of accusations with never any evidence. it’s a lot like reading Seventh Day Adventist websites about the Catholic Church.

Compared to what in this election cycle? I think the chill has worn thin.

Amen to that MB!

It really is a downward spiral for him. History will not be kind to him.

On January 20th the ultimate glass ceiling will be shattered by President Hillary Clinton.

Sure seems likely especially since all he’s done is gin up the people who already support him while losing more and more support every time he opens his pie hole.

Sadly our democracy has already been mocked and for quite sometime according to
Wikileaks.

Nah…our own government has done that to itself. Whistle blower Edward Snowden proved that.

I disagree. And if she wins it will be because she had lots of help - the election has been rigged in more ways than one in favor of Hillary.

Really? By all means enumerate them if you can because I don’t believe you can provide any evidence…just like your boy Trump.

He did land one deft blow over the Clinton foundation.

But then it became a shout-a-thon harangue of a slogging match again over Haiti after she hit back about the Trump Foundation paying for his lawsuits.

In spite of the fact that he spent $25,000 of that “foundation’s” money to bribe Florida State Attorney Pam Bondi to drop the criminal investigation into Trump university.

They both belong in jail for that…

 

[2_RollinStoned]

Clinton was the only one who answered with any substance. Trump’s answers were vague and nebulous - “we’re gonna make X great, believe me. World class” That doesn’t say anything on substance.

The “nasty woman” comments under his breath were uncalled for in adult civil discourse.

Agreed!

But I also didn’t like how Clinton kept re-rolling over Trump’s controversies. Surely there’s a time and place to mention them. But they came up at odd times.

Probably a counter tactic to Trumps little “Wrong” cheap shots all along the way and I saw several cases where he said that and I know he was lying.

Ultimately I don’t think the debate will change much. Trump will go into November 8th with these polling numbers. He didn’t help his cause at all. He melted down in the second half and gave the media sound bites that he’ll be raked across the coals for weeks for. Clinton didn’t deliver a knockout punch, but she didn’t do poorly.

I completely agree with this assessment!

With the shattering of religious freedom to follow in short order.

That’s coming anyway. remember, Trump doesn’t like Pope Francis and his VP says the church will change its teachings.

And constitutional government if her adversary makes good with his promises.

I mean, let’s reflect on this for a moment…

Since Clinton is now beating him by sizeable margins in the polls, Trump questions her right to run for the presidency, suggests that he need not accept the outcome if she proves victorious on election day and claims that his first act as president - if he does win - will be to lock her up in jail.

If you ask me, that is one hell of a serious threat to undermine the very basis of your republic and the values it was designed to uphold - not to mention the basic and universal conventions of fair competition.

Indeed! But he has shown again and again that he has no respect for the rule of law.

Nope.

Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6

Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
IBD/TIPP 10/13 - 10/18 782 LV 3.6 44 41 Clinton +3
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/12 - 10/18 3019 LV 4.5 44 44 Tie
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10So much for the assertion of Trump leading. It will be interesting to see the polls over the next couple of days.

Yep, every headline I’ve seen has grabbed on to the statements by Trump about not agreeing to abide by the election results. Nothing else’s discussed will end up mattering. Trump shot his own campaign in the back yet again.

Yeah he did and contradicted both his VP and his wife’s public statements.

O for 3 here! I have scrupulously ignored all of them. My vote goes for the one who will cause the least damage to the Church, if not exactly leave her alone. The past week’s events have clarified that quite a bit.

A hopeful assessment, but I am of the opinion that neither one is going to be good for us as Catholics.

She dresses like the president of North Korea

And he dresses like a crooked car salesman. (with apologies to the car salesmen…)

I’d feel the same way if I didn’t believe in the right to bear arms. So probably just little less than 1/2 the country is sleeping lightly tonight.

So what are you saying Beautiful? You do realize what the founding fathers said about that don’t you?

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson

“I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.” -Thomas Jefferson

**"**When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." **- **Thomas Jefferson

“For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.” -Thomas Jefferson

“The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.” - Thomas Jefferson

"I am more and more convinced that man is a dangerous creature and that power, whether vested in many or a few, is ever grasping, and like the grave, cries, ‘Give, give.’ " -Abigail Adams

 

[2_RollinStoned]

Fear of being attacked for going to Mass? Isn’t that a bit hyperbolic? I mean… I can sort of see the “they’ll make our schools insurance cover birth control and that’s violating my religious freedom” argument. But being physically attacked for attending church?

I agree. It’s not that time yet…

I find the following Mass prayer especially poignant.

Deliver us, Lord, we pray, from every evil, graciously grant peace in our days, that, by the help of your mercy, we may be always free from sin and safe from all distress, as we await the blessed hope and the coming of our Saviour, Jesus Christ

And as for babies… I don’t understand why everyone thinks Trump will support pro-life policies. He changes his tune whenever it’s politically convenient for him. To whit… Meet the Press in 1999. youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE

Yes, he’s waving the pro-life banner now. But will that pandering actually materialize under a Trump administration? Yep typical politician’s trick…

 

[_Abyssinia]

Newt Gingrich said on The Hannity Show that “a pollster who’s been around a long time just emailed me and said in the I-10 corridor” “it’s 55-35 that Trump beat Hillary”.

Trump wins the CNN focus group 10-5

twitter.com/jaketapper/status/788963879036424192

Frank Luntz’s focus group: twitter.com/frankluntz/status/788934049481957377

 

[7_Sorrows]

I don’t think it makes America great for Hillary’s campaign to go around paying mentally ill people and others to agitate and create fights at the rallies of Mr. Trump. The video shows it is true.
washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/18/undercover-video-shows-democrats-saying-they-hire-/
theepochtimes.com/n3/2174031-undercover-video-shows-democratic-groups-planting-agitators-at-trump-rallies/
conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/10/undercover-video-shows-democrat-operatives-admitting-they-incited-violence-at-trump-rallies
Hillary claims that Putin is meddling in the US elections, but the video clearly shows that it is her campaign that is playing dirty. Since her campaign is using dishonest methods to win the election, I would say that Mr. Trump is right to refuse to support her if she wins.

I agree.

 

[Tomdstone]

The “nasty woman” comments under his breath were uncalled for in adult civil discourse.

I don’t think so. I think it is entirely appropriate to call her nasty. After all it is nasty to call for the legalization of murder of partially born infant. It is a bloody, brutal disgusting and extremely nasty way to kill a child.

 

[7_Sorrows]

She dresses like the president of North Korea

yes I have noticed that too!

 

[7_Sorrows]

Given that suffragettes such as Susan B. Anthony were adamant that killing babies was not a path to rights for women, I’m not sure that Mrs. Clinton quite belongs in that camp.
After all, roughly 1 of every two of those murdered children is female. Perhaps, in the eyes of those pro-abortion, some females are more life (and the rights which attend to being alive) worthy than others?

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Fear of being attacked for going to Mass? Isn’t that a bit hyperbolic? I mean… I can sort of see the “they’ll make our schools insurance cover birth control and that’s violating my religious freedom” argument. But being physically attacked for attending church?

And as for babies… I don’t understand why everyone thinks Trump will support pro-life policies. He changes his tune whenever it’s politically convenient for him. To whit… Meet the Press in 1999. youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE

Yes, he’s waving the pro-life banner now. But will that pandering actually materialize under a Trump administration?

Abortion under Hillary Clinton is a militant absolute certainty.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

You commented on 7 Sorrows’ remarks that she was wearing white. She also wore white on the evening she accepted the nomination for President. It’s very intentional - aren’t you aware?

The suffragettes all wore white as they fought and were jailed and sometimes killed for their fight for women’s rights. It is a very strong feminist statement Mrs Clinton is making.

On the other hand, Obama used fake phoney columns.

Remember those?

 

[Rhubarb]

I don’t think so. I think it is entirely appropriate to call her nasty.

They weren’t talking about abortion. They were talking about tax brackets. And furthermore. No it’s not. Not on stage before millions of people across the world. It’s childish and utterly undignified for someone running for the highest office in the land. A seat that the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt held. It doesn’t matter if people think it’s true, or agree with it. There’s a right time and a wrong time to say certain things. Behaving like that was wrong.

 

[7_Sorrows]

No it’s not. Not on stage before millions of people across the world. It’s childish and utterly undignified for someone running for the highest office in the land. A seat that the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt held. It doesn’t matter if people think it’s true, or agree with it. There’s a right time and a wrong time to say certain things. Behaving like that was wrong.

this is a political race. if you had someone playing all the dirty tricks on you that the Hillary campaign is playing you might be just as disgusted.

 

[Rhubarb]

this is a political race. if you had someone playing all the dirty tricks on you that the Hillary campaign is playing you might be just as disgusted.

Like calling him out for things he has been recorded as saying or doing? The comment came out when she said “my taxes will go up and so will his provided he doesn’t find a way to get out of it.” And then he had to hit back. Because as he’s shown he has to have the last word and will be goaded. And when he can’t say something of substance he resorts to petty insults. This is a pattern seen time and time again whenever he’s criticized be it from Secretary Clinton, media and celebrity detractors, and even his own party. And then he has the gall to turn around in the selfsame debate and say that nobody has more respect for women than he does.

The sentiment of the comment I can understand. It’s okay to think poorly of someone. But have we really become so desensitized that we’re okay with petty schoolyard insults coming from candidates? I’m embarrassed that our culture has allowed things to get this way.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

this is a political race. if you had someone playing all the dirty tricks on you that the Hillary campaign is playing you might be just as disgusted.

As I recall Al Gore refused to accept the results of the Florida vote count and went to court and demanded recounts, but only of certain counties.

He lost.

But, however, given the sophistication of the current voting fraud … the fraud and violence being orchestrated directly by the White House … and the electronic voting machines provided and managed by George Soros … there is no telling how this is all going to play out.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Hillary Clinton said she wants to put more money into the Social Security Trust Fund.

THERE IS NO SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND.

AND Obama has removed billions from the Medicare and Social Security accounts.

Al Gore used to talk about the lock box … no such thing.

If Social Security and Medicare were run properly, the current tax collections dedicated to those two programs would be more than adequate.

For comparison(s), check with the Galveston County retirement program and with the HSA programs.

Galveston County payouts are about three times higher than Social Security.

 

[7_Sorrows]

As I recall Al Gore refused to accept the results of the Florida vote count and went to court and demanded recounts, but only of certain counties.

He lost.

But, however, given the sophistication of the current voting fraud … the fraud and violence being orchestrated directly by the White House … and the electronic voting machines provided and managed by George Soros … there is no telling how this is all going to play out.

this could be worse than the 2000 election! I don’t know what to expect.