Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread

[Ridgerunner]

It’s a wee bit difficult for me to accept him as “pro-life” if he thinks she’s got cooties or is a baby-killer something and refuses to extend a simple handshake. :

How on earth is not shaking hands with Clinton indicative that he’s not prolife? Does feigned politeness somehow outweigh Clinton’s relentless promotion of abortion here and abroad?

The Clinton camp is reduced to persuading the public that trivia is more important that substance. Given the awful 8 years past, perhaps it’s all they can do.

 

[randomuser]

How on earth is not shaking hands with Clinton indicative that he’s not prolife? Does feigned politeness somehow outweigh Clinton’s relentless promotion of abortion here and abroad?

The Clinton camp is reduced to persuading the public that trivia is more important that substance. Given the awful 8 years past, perhaps it’s all they can do.

Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the sanctity of life at all stages of life, not just until birth, and he obviously has so little regard for his opponent’s life that he cannot even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics who were sent home because they couldn’t be sportsman-like and shake hands with opponents. It’s not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be so un-sportsmanlike?

 

[Beautiful]

This is not some third world country where there’s a coup every few months. It’s a democratic republic which requires a peaceful transition of power to function. If he can’t be bothered to even shake his opponent’s hand (a basic professional courtesy) and he can’t be bothered to respect the rule of law, that should be a huge red flag for anyone.

It is definitely different but I think Trump knows that HRC plays an unfair game as revealed in Wikeleaks and other mainstream news accounts and the public knows too. Why pretend?
The bigger question…Who needs to pretend?

 

[I_trust]

Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the sanctity of life at all stages of life, not just until birth, and he obviously has so little regard for his opponent’s life that he cannot even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics who were sent home because they couldn’t be sportsman-like and shake hands with opponents. It’s not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be so un-sportsmanlike?

So not shaking hands is not trivial in comparison to 60 million lives snuffed out?
Wow, just wow.

By the way it was Clinton who asked for a break in protocol so that Bill would not have to shake hands with Melania…
foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/19/report-melania-bill-wont-have-to-shake-hands-at-debate-after-clinton-request.html

 

[RCinMT]

Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the sanctity of life at all stages of life, not just until birth, and he obviously has so little regard for his opponent’s life that he cannot even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics who were sent home because they couldn’t be sportsman-like and shake hands with opponents. It’s not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be so un-sportsmanlike?

So pro-life now means shaking hands? How about Hillary Clinton’s enthusiastic support for taxpayer funded abortions including partial births? Is Trump not shaking her hand tantamount to that?

 

[Michael68]

yes, but the only thing they never got over was how the supreme court selected bush, not that the election was “rigged.” huge difference.

Speaking of the scotus, nobody on this thread has mentioned what hillary pointed out in the first segment of the debate – the republicans have been negligent in their constitutional duties to advise and consent of the scotus nominee that obama already selected: Merrick garland, anyone? Obama did what he was supposed to do, per our u.s. Constitution, and yet congress has sat on the nomination and done nothing – absolutely zippo.

So, in addition to the mcconell et al shirking their constitutional duties, we’ve got trump declining to accept the results of the election – an orderly transfer of powers that is essential for our republic to function. the guy can’t even bring himself to shake hands with his opponent – how is that “pro-life” or in any way ‘presidential’? Not shaking hands? Who does that?

how is hillary pro-life!!! Really?

 

[Beautiful]

I’ve got bad news for everyone.

With Zika coming down the tube…even if Trump is elected in and he appoints a pro life SCOTUS… I imagine he/she will be tempted to delay overturning Roe v. Wade.
American’s could also subconsciously apply their vote based on something as awful as Zika.

just saying…you must look at what’s happening outside the election.

This is not original. I think its terrible but see how evil is at play.

Also consider the generations of women that have committed to abortion for themselves, children, grandchildren and now great grandchildren. Murder is an ‘approved’ legacy in this country. It’ll take a huge change of hearts to draw back people to life.

The Door of Mercy is for all…the path to it is narrow. Pope Francis couldn’t have shed any greater light on the narrow passage to the Door than he did.

The Door of Mercy will close soon…quite literally…if you aren’t on your knees yet…pray to get there.

 

[Michael68]

I find it disturbing that HRC supporters want to call Trump on being pro-life when it is a fact HRC is not nor ever was pro-life!!!Its a silly argument!

 

[DeniseNY]

Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the sanctity of life at all stages of life, not just until birth, and he obviously has so little regard for his opponent’s life that he cannot even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics who were sent home because they couldn’t be sportsman-like and shake hands with opponents. It’s not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be so un-sportsmanlike?

So pro-life people must be perfect in all their interactions with people?

Does that mean that pro abortion people (like Hillary) can be as rotten as they want to be? Maybe that will explain her criminality, propensity to lie, and track record of being nasty to people she feels are “beneath” her - like her secret service detail.

 

[sallybutler]

So pro-life people must be perfect in all their interactions with people?

Does that mean that pro abortion people (like Hillary) can be as rotten as they want to be? Maybe that will explain her criminality, propensity to lie, and track record of being nasty to people she feels are “beneath” her - like her secret service detail.

You do not have to be perfect, you have to strive to be perfect. Has nothing to do with being pro-life, has to do with being a follower of Christ.

 

[Jeanne_S]

You do not have to be perfect, you have to strive to be perfect. Has nothing to do with being pro-life, has to do with being a follower of Christ.

Which would naturally follow ,that one would be pro life.

 

[Peter_Plato]

Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the sanctity of life at all stages of life, not just until birth, and he obviously has so little regard for his opponent’s life that he cannot even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics who were sent home because they couldn’t be sportsman-like and shake hands with opponents. It’s not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be so un-sportsmanlike?

Okay, let’s compare apples to apples:

Trump refuses to shake Hillary’s hand, possibly because she has a cold. This indicates he is not consistently pro-life.

Hillary has pneumonia but she gets close and personal and hugs a young girl on the street even though she is aware that a number of people in her campaign have been infected with pneumonia in the days prior to her own bout with pneumonia. What should this indicate about her being “pro-life?”

That she is willing to take the chance at actually infecting a young girl with pneumonia is demonstrating her “respect” for life at all stages, but Trump’s unwillingness to shake hands demonstrates that he is not sincerely pro-life?

Yet, that Hillary is pushing for the painful dismembering and killing of babies up to and including after partial birth AND wants to force tax payers (including you) to pay for these is an indicator that she is more “pro-life” than Trump?

For the life of me, I do not see much consistency in how you arrive at your conclusions.

My grandson was born a few weeks premature recently. The fact that he came out of his mother’s womb early makes absolutely no difference with regard to who he is and what rights he ought to have. That Hillary can insist he should have NO rights if he were located in a womb, but ALL rights if he “decides” to arrive early is an abysmal moral position. He is the same human being whether in the womb or outside of it. Birth makes no difference with regard to his moral standing. Yet it makes all the difference to Hillary.

Her position that painful dismemberment of babies should be permitted right up to birth is NOT pro-life and undermines everything else she spouts as her “public” position regarding her alleged “respect” fo life.

The way she treats those around her is a far better indicator of her respect for others – and that has been well-documented. The manner in which she responded to the moderator of the commander-in-chief forum after he didn’t follow her script is far more telling than Trump’s refusal to shake her hand.

Edit: Link to video describing the events following the forum.

youtu.be/_NfFAaPZqs8

 

[7_Sorrows]

Yes, as a matter of fact, HRC did move in his direction to shake his hand – Trump’s body language said “go away” – so she went to shake Chris Wallace’s hand instead and then greeted the audience while Trump stayed on stage.

It’s a wee bit difficult for me to accept him as “pro-life” if he thinks she’s got cooties or is a baby-killer something and refuses to extend a simple handshake. This is the first election cycle in modern era that a basic professional courtesy has now gone out of the window – not just this 3rd debate, but the 2nd and 3rd debates. I ask again: Who does that? And he wants to be president?

I thought that was the decision made by her side.

 

[AFerri48]

Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the sanctity of life at all stages of life, not just until birth, and he obviously has so little regard for his opponent’s life that he cannot even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics who were sent home because they couldn’t be sportsman-like and shake hands with opponents. It’s not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be so un-sportsmanlike?

You could win a gold medal in mental gymnastics.

 

[DeniseNY]

You do not have to be perfect, you have to strive to be perfect. Has nothing to do with being pro-life, has to do with being a follower of Christ.

As much as people may strive, they (and I mean all of us), fall short. The poster who originally brought this up specifically tied it to being pro-life.

 

[truetofaith]

I wrote a long reply for about woman offended by Trump’s “bad hombre” remark but my power went off & I lost it…I may comment later.

 

[DeniseNY]

Okay, let’s compare apples to apples:

Trump refuses to shake Hillary’s hand, possibly because she has a cold. This indicates he is not consistently pro-life.

Hillary has pneumonia but she gets close and personal and hugs a young girl on the street even though she is aware that a number of people in her campaign have been infected with pneumonia in the days prior to her own bout with pneumonia. What should this indicate about her being “pro-life?”

That she is willing to take the chance at actually infecting a young girl with pneumonia is demonstrating her “respect” for life at all stages, but Trump’s unwillingness to shake hands demonstrates that he is not sincerely pro-life?

Yet, that Hillary is pushing for the painful dismembering and killing of babies up to and including after partial birth AND wants to force tax payers (including you) to pay for these is an indicator that she is more “pro-life” than Trump?

For the life of me, I do not see much consistency in how you arrive at your conclusions.

My grandson was born a few weeks premature recently. The fact that he came out of his mother’s womb early makes absolutely no difference with regard to who he is and what rights he ought to have. That Hillary can insist he should have NO rights if he were located in a womb, but ALL rights if he “decides” to arrive early is an abysmal moral position. He is the same human being whether in the womb or outside of it. Birth makes no difference with regard to his moral standing. Yet it makes all the difference to Hillary.

Her position that painful dismemberment of babies should be permitted right up to birth is NOT pro-life and undermines everything else she spouts as her “public” position regarding her alleged “respect” fo life.

The way she treats those around her is a far better indicator of her respect for others – and that has been well-documented. The manner in which she responded to the moderator of the commander-in-chief forum after he didn’t follow her script is far more telling than Trump’s refusal to shake her hand.

Edit: Link to video describing the events following the forum.

youtu.be/_NfFAaPZqs8

 

[Peter_Plato]

Edit: Link to video describing the events following the forum.

youtu.be/_NfFAaPZqs8

As corroborating evidence for Hillary’s reaction and subsequent call to the MSM to “deal” with Matt Lauer, consider how Colbert shredded him:

youtu.be/S3GDVqcg2mc
(Start at about 3:00 mark.)

Justified? Did Lauer do that badly? Or was the MSM response instigated by the Clinton campaign as “payback?”

 

[tomarin]

I disagree. And if she wins it will be because she had lots of help - the election has been rigged in more ways than one in favor of Hillary.

I agree the elite media is in her corner, but how is that different from any other presidential election? Including the ones won by Republicans?

 

[Joe_5859]

As for the pro life aspect. We spend hours in front of the blessed sacrament, we articulate our arguments we pray for conversions of hearts and then when someone changes thier mind about abortion they are not to be trusted? Well I trust Hillary when it comes to abortion. I trust her when she says what she says. I believe her 100 percent.

Right. I don’t think either candidate is a good one. And I honestly don’t know what Trump would do when it comes to furthering the pro-life cause or protecting religious liberty. But I do know what Hillary will do. And it won’t be good.

Painting Trump as a flip-flopper is not undeserved, but so are many politicians. When Obama or Hillary change their minds, they are “evolving” but when Trump does, he is “flip-flopping”.