After four businesses that went bankrupt, he was bad enough to put some people out of business.He’s good enough to remain super-rich. ~shrug~
How many didn’t go bankrupt?After four businesses that went bankrupt, he was bad enough to put some people out of business.
Yup. And I’m telling you, those of us who voted him in are largely happy with what he’s doing. You can believe it or not, as you see fit.As President, he isn’t going to find he can just walk away from failing projects that have his name emblazoned on them. Everything he does now is fodder for history.
Well, for one, they’re estimating, and it’s interesting that the estimates are way, way below Trump’s boasts. Second, in addition to his campaign, two of the biggest drags on his net worth were the New York real estate market (c’mon, Trump, you didn’t see this one coming? I thought you were a visionary business genius!) and a $25,000,000 check to people he defrauded.I thought it was fairly common knowledge: http://time.com/money/4985883/trump-net-worth-richest-americans-forbes-billionaires/
That’s not exactly a measure of failure in the business world. The majority of start ups fail. My father is now very successful, but he’s been bankrupted about 6 times over the course of his life.After four businesses that went bankrupt,
Okay. I don’t find it particularly relevant, but you do you. He’s a blusterer and a blowhard. I know this and accept it.Well, for one, they’re estimating, and it’s interesting that the estimates are way, way below Trump’s boasts.
And the third, as you say, was his run for the Presidency. Seems like a dumb thing to do for someone that was supposedly just doing it for a publicity stunt.Second, in addition to his campaign, two of the biggest drags on his net worth were the New York real estate market (c’mon, Trump, you didn’t see this one coming? I thought you were a visionary business genius!) and a $25,000,000 check to people he defrauded.
Again, unless you see it as an investment in your future as a public figure. Imagine if Trump HAD lost, but had 35-40% of the country believing he was their political Messiah and had been robbed by Crooked Hillary. He’d be a constant guest on Fox, and he’d be basking in the cheers of tens of thousands in sold-out stadiums whenever he wanted. All without the tiresome business of actually governing. That’s what he actually thought he was getting, in my opinion. (Obviously, I can’t prove this conclusively, but it seems to be borne out by people who know him well.)And the third, as you say, was his run for the Presidency. Seems like a dumb thing to do for someone that was supposedly just doing it for a publicity stunt.
Is it an investment or a publicity stunt? Is he smart or is he a moron? Seems like everyone’s stories are getting crossed.Again, unless you see it as an investment in your future as a public figure.
Conjecture. I don’t know if I’d agree, I’d have to think about it.Imagine if Trump HAD lost, but had 35-40% of the country believing he was their political Messiah and had been robbed by Crooked Hillary. He’d be a constant guest on Fox, and he’d be basking in the cheers of tens of thousands in sold-out stadiums whenever he wanted.
You’re welcome to your opinion, and I say that without animosity. I don’t agree, obviously.All without the tiresome business of actually governing. That’s what he actually thought he was getting, in my opinion. (Obviously, I can’t prove this conclusively, but it seems to be borne out by people who know him well.)
Can be both. People don’t publicity stunts for no reason. They always expect to get something out of it later.Is it an investment or a publicity stunt? Is he smart or is he a moron? Seems like everyone’s stories are getting crossed.
No, I get it. We’re just talking. I don’t have anything against you personally even though we disagree.You’re welcome to your opinion, and I say that without animosity. I don’t agree, obviously.
But if Trump is as horrible at planning and running things as the media says he is, he’d be incapable of either.Can be both. People don’t publicity stunts for no reason. They always expect to get something out of it later.
Word, fam.No, I get it. We’re just talking. I don’t have anything against you personally even though we disagree.
Oh, I don’t think even the most rabid of HuffPo commenters would claim Trump isn’t very good at self-promotion/publicity. He’s a showman, that’s for sure.But if Trump is as horrible at planning and running things as the media says he is, he’d be incapable of either.
I agree. I really don’t think he’d use a run for President simply for publicity, though. That’s a stretch, in my opinion. I think he really did want to be President.He’s a showman, that’s for sure.
That’s like a pilot referring to all the planes he didn’t crash or a captain referring to all the years he didn’t capsize his boat, LOL. Seriously, though, if you’re going to use “he got rich” as evidence that he’s competent, you have to consider that other people who ventured into business in him were not looked out for. He got his; they didn’t get theirs. He says, “that’s just the way business is done.” Maybe so, but in politics, you don’t get to just declare bankruptcy, swallow your losses and walk away. Your failures stay around your neck.How many didn’t go bankrupt?
Voters normally require results, but it is true that a President’s partisans will usually give him credit whether or not he is directly responsible for a success and will make excuses for him when he fails. His adversaries will do the opposite.Yup. And I’m telling you, those of us who voted him in are largely happy with what he’s doing. You can believe it or not, as you see fit.
According to those who know his wife, she thought he really did want to know how he would do as President. She thought he’d regret it if he never tried. Mostly, though, she told him he’d better do it if he was going to do it and stop talking about it. He was a very old candidate, even as it was.Didn’t he put his name in the ring, and then pulling it out right about the time the new season of the Apprentice started? I think he did that more than once.
Not really. Apple and oranges there, sir / madame.That’s like a pilot referring to all the planes he didn’t crash or a captain referring to all the years he didn’t capsize his boat, LOL.
If that’s true, it makes him selfish, not incompetent.Seriously, though, if you’re going to use “he got rich” as evidence that he’s competent, you have to consider that other people who ventured into business in him were not looked out for. He got his; they didn’t get theirs.
I don’t think anyone’s arguing that point. I mostly agree. What I don’t agree with is your apparent stance that he’s nothing but a failure. I think he’s doing pretty dang well, all things considered, and I am still happy that I voted for him.He says, “that’s just the way business is done.” Maybe so, but in politics, you don’t get to just declare bankruptcy, swallow your losses and walk away. Your failures stay around your neck.
Cautiously agree. That’s a very partisan statement there, in a way, so I’m taking it with a grain of salt.Voters normally require results, but it is true that a President’s partisans will usually give him credit whether or not he is directly responsible for a success and will make excuses for him when he fails. His adversaries will do the opposite.
Possibly. We’ll see.It is the people in the middle, the people who are neither partisans nor adversaries, who will decide whether or not he gets re-elected.
Here we agree. I’m not convinced he could have won against Sanders, even, though I’m glad that Sanders didn’t get in either.I agree that if Donald Trump ran against Hillary Clinton today, however, he’d still have a very good chance of winning again. Mrs Clinton hasn’t gotten more popular since she lost. I will never predict he loses an election until I know who he’s running against. (There are some real dogs who could get into that race–politically speaking, of course.)
Well, sort of.As much as I would like to not have Donald Trump as president, he is who we have. That’s how our system works. If enough people don’t like the job he is doing, then he will be fired in 2020.