Trump is no longer the worst person in government

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RandomAlias said:
I have often wondered, when I see Pence in the background as Trump is signing an executive order or delivering a speech, what Pence is thinking as he looks on attentively, approvingly, perhaps even lovingly – @Hereiam, I totally get your reference to the adoring goo-goo eyes and new-bride-like blush.

I also wonder what Pence would do as President if, heaven forbid, Trump’s presidency were cut short. Would Pence continue to lead the country on the same course? Is he even capable of that? Would he become his own man and lead in a new direction? I don’t know. In this regard, Pence is a true wild card.
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Likely you’re misinterpreting simple respect. Failure to sneer at Trump does not imply “bride-like-blush”.

Probably Pence’s policies would be little different, but his manner surely would be. Pence is not a colorful character like Trump is.
 
dvdjs said:
I have been accused of being policing grammar, but the evidence for this charge is, I think. pretty thin. I get more criticism from my bad typing and proofing - and do not complain about it, but thank posters for the help at what I do so badly.
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Due to the fact that you made multiple posts to correcting their grammar.

I remember retracting a post I made quoting your grammar mistakes correcting another poster’s grammar.

Another time I asked you why you corrected only the conservatives.

Not going to waste my time doing a search for things you know have been
 
Thanks.

Yet, any other republican would have reinstated the same policy. And the Cardinal has also criticized Trump’s stance on issues like DACA.

I agree with Cardinal Dolan actually most of the time.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Due to the fact that you made multiple posts to correcting their grammar.
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I just searched for posts under my name with the word grammar.
What I found were multiple accusations, sometimes weirdly gratuitous, from a number of posters with no specifics at all.

There were two specifics charges both from anotjer poster who perhaps framed this so that others might jump aboard, which they did. But in neither case did I post to correct grammar.

In one case, having failed to clarify an issue of grammar, I was in the position of responding to an virulent attack on a post of mine, by noting that my mistake in understanding what the poster meant stemmed from that issue.

In the second case, I objected to the a baseless claim that a public figure “bragged”; upon my objection to that term, the poster corrected the word to “said”; the poster then deflected from the baselessness of the claim by name-calling, referring to me (once again) as Mrs. Grundy.

I do recall you calling attention to my posting “don;t” instead of “don’t”; I did not object, but fixed the error.

Sorry to waste bandwidth on this stuff, but I think that this line of attack is unwarranted.
 
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F_Marturana said:
Thanks.

Yet, any other republican would have reinstated the same policy. And the Cardinal has also criticized Trump’s stance on issues like DACA.

I agree with Cardinal Dolan actually most of the time.
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You got the link you asked for. Dolan praised Trump’s pro-life stance.
 
Ok, so what is the content we might discuss? I assumed one might look in the first and last paragraphs for a hint, but apparently I was wrong.
 
VP Pence is a stand up guy! He is a good Christian man, husband, father and held in high regard in Indiana as their former Governor. He certainly does not need to be cartooned as googly eyed, etc. He is our Vice President - a heartbeat away from the Oval Office! Look what we had to endure for the eight years previously - we need to be down on our knees in thanks every day that we are blessed with such great men as Pres. Trump and VP Pence. Can you imagine what will be put in front of the American people for a candidate by the progressive left in 2020? We have come so close to falling into the swamp where all the pedophiles, sex perverts, traitors, baby butchers, thieves and liars are, that we ought to know better. If we don’t then the 2nd Amendment will be an every day exercise!
 
grotto said:
sex perverts
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What is a good word for someone who grabs women by the genitals, talks about the size of his manhood in a presidential debate, goes on the Howard Stern show multiple times to discuss his sexual conquests, pretends to be his own publicist in order to tell news papers about his affair while married?
 
You got the first one wrong, listen to the recording again. He admitted kissing a woman without consent.
The other bit was mocking celebrity groupies, yes it wasn’t very nice.

For your other questions, I’d say the person reminds me of a hetero teenager with the bravado and boasting, not a mature man like my dad…
 
Theo520 said:
You got the first one wrong, listen to the recording again. He admitted kissing a woman without consent.
The other bit was mocking celebrity groupies, yes it wasn’t very nice.

For your other questions, I’d say the person reminds me of a hetero teenager with the bravado and boasting, not a mature man like my dad…
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Liberals celebrate abortion and sexual perversion, including the corruption of the young, then pretend to be puritans when it comes to words spoken in private by Trump.
 
I’m finding it very ironic.

I’m being called a liberal. And a Puritan. 👍

I guess “conservative” only means allegiance to Trump, and defend every scuzzy perversity he utters.
 
dvdjs said:
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7_Sorrows:
… looking for dirt wherever they can find it …
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Not sure about dirt, but lack of character in this administration is seen all around from right to left.
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Try not to besmirch a persons character please we all know what you think about how Pope Francis wants us to be civil. Here is our quote from another thread.

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Before risking involvement in yet another character assassination, not matter how absurdly flimsy the grounds, perhaps it would be good to reflect on this paragraph from Gaudete et Exsultate
115. Christians too can be caught up in networks of verbal violence through the internet and the various forums of digital communication. Even in Catholic media, limits can be overstepped, defamation and slander can become commonplace, and all ethical standards and respect for the good name of others can be abandoned. The result is a dangerous dichotomy, since things can be said there that would be unacceptable in public discourse, and people look to compensate for their own discontent by lashing out at others. It is striking that at times, in claiming to uphold the other commandments, they completely ignore the eighth, which forbids bearing false witness or lying, and ruthlessly vilify others. Here we see how the unguarded tongue, set on fire by hell, sets all things ablaze (cf. Jas 3:6).
Post #2 A quick look at Michael Cohen
 
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Jeanne_S:
Re read your posts on this thread as well as the numerous others’ of which you comment.You regularly crtisize those with whom you disa
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I criticize the content of posts. I criticize errant facts, illogical, and departures from forum rules.
I avoid impugning motives especially at that level making a judgement of sinfulness.
I avoid criticizing perceived attitude without reference to content.
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No you just use other persons defamatory words to get your point across. Please try to follow our own request that people should listen to PF on how to communicate in Social media.
 
dvdjs said:
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7_Sorrows:
unemployment is down, 3 men being held in North Korea were brought home this week. President Trump,
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I have expressed satisfaction that Trump has not reversed the unemployment trends that the nation has enjoyed since rising from the great recession.

The return of the three hostages is good news, just as it was in other administrations. The news was marred, however, by the self-serving false statement he made in promoting the news.

I think that Trump’s summit with the barbarian is interesting. Other President’s would have been savaged for giving peer status to that horrific dictator and signalling others of his ilk. Trump is seen differently in this regard than other Presidents. We will see how it works out.
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There you go again characterizing people in a negative lite. Try not to do this as it makes you look like a hypocrite!

remember… dvdjs
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Before risking involvement in yet another character assassination, not matter how absurdly flimsy the grounds, perhaps it would be good to reflect on this paragraph from Gaudete et Exsultate
115. Christians too can be caught up in networks of verbal violence through the internet and the various forums of digital communication. Even in Catholic media, limits can be overstepped, defamation and slander can become commonplace, and all ethical standards and respect for the good name of others can be abandoned. The result is a dangerous dichotomy, since things can be said there that would be unacceptable in public discourse, and people look to compensate for their own discontent by lashing out at others. It is striking that at times, in claiming to uphold the other commandments, they completely ignore the eighth, which forbids bearing false witness or lying, and ruthlessly vilify others. Here we see how the unguarded tongue, set on fire by hell, sets all things ablaze (cf. Jas 3:6).
Post #2 A quick look at Michael Cohen
 
Trump is POTUS and as such, who he is and what he does has an effect on the health of our nation.
I don’t think that what I have posted constitutes defamation or slander, false witness, lying, ruthlessness, or anything unacceptable in public discourse. (I note that a post that was sequestrated for moderation, went because I included a Trump public quote that had an unacceptable word in it.)

As I look back on this thread, I amazed.

Trump supporters take immediate umbrage to a post that shows Trump and company in a negative light. Responses are made that do not engage content at all, but instead personally and gratuitously attack the author and the poster.

Will quotes Lincoln about the the sanctity of the rule of law and the importance of that in the face of mobocracy. He criticizes Pence for his lack of honor for corrupting that ideal by for publicly praising "as ‘a tireless champion of . . . the rule of law, … Arpaio, a grandstanding, camera-chasing bully and darling of the thuggish right, [and] also a criminal, convicted of contempt of court for ignoring a federal judge’s order to desist from certain illegal law enforcement practices.’ "

He goes to to make a point that may be of interest to anyone who is inclined to respond without bothering consider content, but instead just reactively swipe at those who criticize their leader.
It is said that one cannot blame people who applaud Arpaio and support his rehabilitators (Trump, Pence, et al.), because, well, globalization or health-care costs or something. Actually, one must either blame them or condescend to them as lacking moral agency.
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Finally, I have posted words from Will for a definite reason.
For those who think that all the scrutiny is just an unhinged liberal conspiracy against Trump, that all the criticism is about the politics of who won or lost, I thought it would be good to acquaint them with the thinking of a staunch Conservative who brings another dimension - immune from the standard dismissal - to the discussion of why character and depth of thinking matter. And matter arguably more than the bread and circuses.
 
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Imdaman said:
characterizing people in a negative lite
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I don’t think that what I referring to the leader of North Korea as a barbarian constitutes defamation or slander, false witness, lying, ruthlessness, or anything unacceptable in public discourse. If anything, it may be overly polite.
 
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