Trump launches military strike against Syria

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If people stopped excepting Pentagon and Western media spins as the Gospel truth, and started fact checking with Catholic and Orthodox sources who actually live in Syria, they might find that things aren’t quite as they’ve been led to believe.
Seconded. And, also start using their own brain to evaluate the information e.g. really people are going to swallow that Assad’s government would use chemical weapon against his own people? Where is the logic in this? :ehh: Why would he commit political suicide at this point when it was being established that he will be remaining in power (with the help of Russia who was not distinguishing between John McCain’s ‘moderate’ terrorists boys Putin said he does not distinguish between terrorist - a terrorist is a terrorist) -as he should, he is the leader of a sovereign nation being attacked and destroyed by a proxy war and his people want him. Think, think, think. Get both sides and data and actual info and then make your own evaluations don’t depend on the opinion of some reported from the controlled media.No matter how good looking or pretty. It’s when you start recognizing the lies that you become familiar with the nasty stuff that happens behind the scene but a story is spin for the public to gain support to commit crimes. We have a duty to not support injustice and allow ourselves to be manipulated,
 
I don’t!

What message was that? first we need to know whether it was Assad or not (as it could be a set up to frame Assad for it, since those fighting Assad would love nothing more than instigate a US strike on Assad forces, since they can’t themselves). And secondly, now Russia is in place to shoot down any further missile strikes. All it did was escalate and make matters worse, as it will continue to do unless the USA and Russia work together.

If Trump’s administration has proof that Assad was responsible, they should share that with Russia and both Russia and the US should work together to curb their use and ultimately resolve the Syrian conflict.

Or Trump and his administration were duped, either one. Doesn’t change what I said above though.

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It seems we have to agree to disagree then. 🙂

My reason to agree with President Trump’s action is as follow:

(1) It is a fact that some eighty people including children died of toxic gas.

(2) Whoever did the killing did it against the Geneva Convention and therefore was illegal, a war crime.

(3) The Intelligence feedback said that Assad was responsible. Yes, he denied it and his Foreign Minister gave a lengthy press conference to deny it. They said the chemical weapon was kept by the rebels in their ammunition depot which was bombed by the Syrian jets.

(4) The Russians concurred with the Syrian version and asked for further investigation.

(5) President Trump initiated the strike against the Syrian airfield where the jets were launched that caused the chemical weapon death. There were some six Syrian soldiers killed and much of the airfield and fighter planes destroyed.

(6) The Syrians said four children were also killed in the American strike even though it was done at 3 o’clock in the morning and targeted at the airfield, mostly aeroplane shelters.

With the facts above, I would rather believe the Americans rather than Assad and the Russians. In any case, people, including children died by the poison gas.

Granted the Syrians have their version of the incident. I would think it is more likely that Assad had the chemical weapon rather than the rebels and besides he had the planes to deliver them, whereas the rebels did not.

Assad had a history of killing his people with poison gas, the last one was in 2013. His father did it too when he was alive. It seemed a common deterrence used by them to intimidate their people.

The strike was surgical – the Russians were informed before it was launched and the target was a military base. Considering the gravity of the strike, collateral damage was minimal. It is hard to believe that children were killed at 3am in a military airfield. Even if it was true, the Syrians had definitely used human shield knowing (they admitted that they knew the strike was coming) that the strike was coming. It was therefore a very inhuman thing to do. How could we allow such person to get away with murder?

Punitive strike at the Syrian airfield at the moment is just that. The Syrian rebels are not saints either. Maybe the Americans should not be involved at all and let them kill themselves to kingdom come. But making a statement at war crime (by chemical weapon) is reasonable action and for that I agree with President Trump.

The strike sent a message that chemical warfare is a no no and Trump would not compromise with it. It would also send a message to potential user of chemical weapon or maybe to the North Koreans.

President trump had chosen a course of action that is fair if he wanted to be taken seriously on something fundamentally wrong, inhuman and against humanity.

As for sharing information with the Russians, that would be the ideal situation but in reality, such situation does not exist with the Russians. There is so much to hide, so much at stake to outdo one another. America and Russia are still adversaries in many ways even though the Cold war was over, which one should not expect the Russians to suddenly changed just because of it.
 
I don’t think anyone will spin a story that Assad is a wonderful guy. He is oppressive and dictatorial. However, Christians in Syria as a general rule have faired much better under his secular reign than they will under a highly radical Islamic group. This seems to be the obvious alternative to him. As ruthless as he is, he served the same purpose as Saddam Hussein did and that is that is to keep the Middle East in check with add some degree of stability to the region, as shaky as it may appear from the outside.

The West has great hopes of establishing a puppet government in Syria as they have tried to in other Middle Eastern areas They also keep blindly believing these countries will embrace democracy with open arms and be ever thankful to us. We have should have learned from the past that western puppet governments don’t do well in the long run and often run astray of the their intended purpose.
As for Assad being oppressive and dictatorial what about the House of Saud which the US supports and defends? Obviously oppressive and dictatorial is not a consistent factor in who we bomb.

I disagree that the West, by that I mean political leaders and the shadow government, believes for a minute that the Middle East will embrace democracy or be thankful. They know what they are selling is lies. Just look at the US led coup in the Ukraine to overthrow its democratic government. Or look at its support of the House of Saud or any other Middle Eastern monarchy which plays ball. Democracy is just a word that works, which is why they use it, to justify any military action they want to take.
 
Why do you doubt it. Military intelligence seems pretty unequivocal about it.
Because the government and most especially the intelligence agencies lie all the time. They operate in secrecy and have no accountability. The better question is why does anyone believe it.

The silliness of it all is demonstrated in how the press handles Trump. The media has questioned everything Trump has said and done. He says Assad gassed children and the media doesn’t question it at all. This isn’t specific to Trump but to any military misadventure of a US president Democrat or Republican. This isn’t an accident of course. This is why the CIA had Operation Mockingbird and other programs to infiltrate and control the media.
 
Gotta say, some really disturbing stuff has been surfacing in this thread.

From the “false flag” accusations, to the “corrupt Talmudist” hate stuff, which could come right from the pages of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to the insinuations that AIPAC controls certain American political figures, etc. One of the posters of this kind of bile posted in another thread about the “Jewish NKVD.”

The same kind of wickedness you might find on Stormfront.

It’s like there’s a sewer running under CAF, and every now and then there’s a crack in the pipes and we get to see and smell the slime running through it.
I agree. It’s like a foul slime. A stench. Really unfortunate.
 
Because the government and most especially the intelligence agencies lie all the time. They operate in secrecy and have no accountability. The better question is why does anyone believe it.

The silliness of it all is demonstrated in how the press handles Trump. The media has questioned everything Trump has said and done. He says Assad gassed children and the media doesn’t question it at all. This isn’t specific to Trump but to any military misadventure of a US president Democrat or Republican. This isn’t an accident of course. This is why the CIA had Operation Mockingbird and other programs to infiltrate and control the media.
Pretty much the rest of the world believes it was Assad, not just Trump and the secret government
 
Pretty much the rest of the world believes it was Assad, not just Trump and the secret government
That is the job of the media. That is why the CIA controlled the media through Operation Mockingbird. All you are saying is that the allied political leaders all agree. No surprise there. And all the people who watched or otherwise consumed news believe what they were told. No surprise there either. That is called manufacturing consent.

Does it not surprise you that the media questioned everything Trump said except for his claims about gas attacks? Where are the fact checkers now?
 
It seems we have to agree to disagree then. 🙂

My reason to agree with President Trump’s action is as follow:

(1) It is a fact that some eighty people including children died of toxic gas.

(2) Whoever did the killing did it against the Geneva Convention and therefore was illegal, a war crime.
Unless the Syrian government was destroying the rebels stash and McCain didn’t like and tried to play it back around to even the score and tried to regain some whole back in Syria.
Assad with the help of Putin has been getting what chemical weapons it did have in the country out, after the Damascus incident when the rebels used it and tried to pin it on the government.

Btw, do you know what lab in the United Stated has been supplying these chemical weapons to the ME countries with the hope they used it against it other? Look it up. Look at the stashes found and the pics - made in USA with love.
The Intelligence feedback said that Assad was responsible. Yes, he denied it and his Foreign Minister gave a lengthy press conference to deny it. They said the chemical weapon was kept by the rebels in their ammunition depot which was bombed by the Syrian jets.

(4) The Russians concurred with the Syrian version and asked for further investigation.

(5) President Trump initiated the strike against the Syrian airfield where the jets were launched that caused the chemical weapon death. There were some six Syrian soldiers killed and much of the airfield and fighter planes destroyed.

(6) The Syrians said four children were also killed in the American strike even though it was done at 3 o’clock in the morning and targeted at the airfield, mostly aeroplane shelters.

With the facts above, I would rather believe the Americans rather than Assad and the Russians. In any case, people, including children died by the poison gas.
Facts? An investigation being demanded by the Russians at the UN has not being started but you know the facts and figures and how it all happened and that Trump was right?
Granted the Syrians have their version of the incident.** I would think it is more likely that Assad had the chemical weapon rather than the rebels **and besides he had the planes to deliver them, whereas the rebels did not.
That’s your opinion, based on your limited knowledge and assumptionsl
Assad had a history of killing his people with poison gas, the last one was in 2013. His father did it too when he was alive. It seemed a common deterrence used by them to intimidate their people.
False.

independent.co.uk/voices/comment/bashar-al-assad-syria-and-the-truth-about-chemical-weapons-8393539.html
The strike was surgical – the Russians were informed before it was launched and the target was a military base. Considering the gravity of the strike, collateral damage was minimal. It is hard to believe that children were killed at 3am in a military airfield. Even if it was true, the Syrians had definitely used human shield knowing (they admitted that they knew the strike was coming) that the strike was coming. It was therefore a very inhuman thing to do. How could we allow such person to get away with murder?
It would be okay for a country to destroy an American airbase as long as it is surgical? How can we allow who to get away with murder?
 
No one on Catholic.com has shown any proof that the supposed gas attack, in Syria, on 4-4-2017, even happened; that is because they can’t do it; everybody knows there is no proof.
 
Punitive strike at the Syrian airfield at the moment is just that. The Syrian rebels are not saints either. Maybe the Americans should not be involved at all and let them kill themselves to kingdom come. But making a statement at war crime (by chemical weapon) is reasonable action and for that I agree with President Trump.
No McCain’s rebels are not saints. Maybe the Americans should not be involved! The CIA/Mossad/ MI6 created the rebels with McCain and supplied them with billions of dollars and arms. The summer when Israel was terrorizing Gaza and killing civilians galore while Obama kept sending Terrorist Netanyahu more arms; the creators of the rebels realized the so-called ‘rebels’ had gone independent with the money and arms. McCain said: Don’t worry about, I’ll handle it. Those are my boys." Well, he went to Syria but could not regain control. So, they called a rebel leader meeting of about 40 and send them a missile. I think they may have after that regained control but have pretend not to totally to keep them gone. And, have always tried to protect them especially from Putin.

Yeah, tried to get the USA to get their rebels out, so they killing of Christian will stop in Syria. A nun said that just because the rebels do not publish a video of a beheading it does not mean they are not doing it. Beheading, she said happened every day and the Christians are tortured and killed. This is a political tactic to get Christians to hate Muslims etc… the world has become very nasty.

catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56339

In the video presentation I posted earlier of the nun in Syria; there is a picture of a Christian woman in Aleppo who was tied to the pole of a big building in the street for passers by to beat until she renounced her faith. She is beaten up and hanging for the ropes ready to die for her faith. She would not renounce. The political games of the rebels is to get the Christians to blame and hate the Muslims and blame everything on them. Meanwhile, the people the west put in control in Iraq the Christians who had been there for centuries had problems with and where did they go? To Syria because Assad has always protected them.
The strike sent a message that chemical warfare is a no no and Trump would not compromise with it. It would also send a message to potential user of chemical weapon or maybe to the North Koreans.
You don’t think people know this? And, somehow the country that has used it the most gets to send a message? Look up depleted uranium which contaminate for 4 billions years or something like that. Afghanistan and Iraq are not good to travel to because of this.
Eh, I am going to stop responding to your post here. I just want to stop a little of your misinformation so as to not promote it give the gravity of what people are really suffer and how ignorant others who may be able to help them are.

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Those Christians in Syria are something else, man, and they need our help. Please contact the diocese in Aleppo and other town in the ME and offer to help. Threatened Christian children tell the rebels to cut their head off because they are not going to renounce- and they do cut off their head.
 
that is the job of the media. That is why the cia controlled the media through operation mockingbird. All you are saying is that the allied political leaders all agree. No surprise there. And all the people who watched or otherwise consumed news believe what they were told. No surprise there either. That is called manufacturing consent.

Does it not surprise you that the media questioned everything trump said except for his claims about gas attacks? Where are the fact checkers now?
you are in the matrix
 
Dear Inisfallen,

It is with great sorrow that I have to agree with you, for I have noticed the same thing too often for it to be unintentional.

It was precisely for this reason that I, though a Traditionally-inclined Catholic man, was forced to flee the Internet forums that most Traditionally-minded folks frequent - I was tired of the constant Jewish conspiracy theories, the triple brackets, the constant sniggers and back-slaps (I speak in virtual terms, of course) whenever these issues were brought up…

I sincerely hope and pray that this infection does not spread to Catholic Answers Forums.

Lord have mercy on us all. 😦
The indisputable fact that Zionism , and all of its various appendages , has an inordinate influence upon American geopolitical views and actions can no longer be obscured by the blanket slander of the cries of “Anti-Semitism”. Truth can be uncomfortable , but many of us choose to look with eyes wide open and views unfiltered.

United States foreign policy can never be viewed without factoring-in this inordinate Zionist influence. To do so is foolish…and frankly…false.
 
Yeah, pretty much. All this stuff you can’t prove
Like what exactly? How about you prove Assad gassed people. Don’t bother, I know the proof. The government and media said so. It’s funny how the government and media are so trustworthy when the issue is war. It’s funny how many people claim to be distrustful of both unless the issue is war. Actually it’s not funny because lots of innocent people end up dying and having their lives, culture, and religion destroyed because of it.
 
Like what exactly? How about you prove Assad gassed people. Don’t bother, I know the proof. The government and media said so. It’s funny how the government and media are so trustworthy when the issue is war. It’s funny how many people claim to be distrustful of both unless the issue is war. Actually it’s not funny because lots of innocent people end up dying and having their lives, culture, and religion destroyed because of it.
I used to wallow around in the conspiracy theory mud. I know where you’re at. My sympathies
 
The indisputable fact that Zionism , and all of its various appendages , has an inordinate influence upon American geopolitical views and actions can no longer be obscured by the blanket slander of the cries of “Anti-Semitism”. Truth can be uncomfortable , but many of us choose to look with eyes wide open and views unfiltered.

United States foreign policy can never be viewed without factoring-in this inordinate Zionist influence. To do so is foolish…and frankly…false.
Speak out!
 
I used to wallow around in the conspiracy theory mud. I know where you’re at. My sympathies
You’ve gone from dismissive to condescending. And most importantly you haven’t addressed a single point I made.
 
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