Trump launches military strike against Syria

[JW55]

As for Assad being oppressive and dictatorial what about the House of Saud which the US supports and defends? Obviously oppressive and dictatorial is not a consistent factor in who we bomb.

I disagree that the West, by that I mean political leaders and the shadow government, believes for a minute that the Middle East will embrace democracy or be thankful. They know what they are selling is lies. Just look at the US led coup in the Ukraine to overthrow its democratic government. Or look at its support of the House of Saud or any other Middle Eastern monarchy which plays ball. Democracy is just a word that works, which is why they use it, to justify any military action they want to take.

I agree with the statement about Saudi Arabia completely and I have voiced my feeling about this on several posts in the past. I have also indicated that Saudi Arabia is one of the most oppressive countries in the world. The difference of course is that we have strong economic ties with Saudi Arabia and they let us use the land space for an American military presence. Whenever someone doesn’t play that game with us, they are the bad guys. We chose or dictators and oppressive governments to befriend based on other than their moral standards. This is what is so frustrating. If we measured these issues across the board fairly and judged these countries by their freedom standards we would not be in Saudi Arabia. There really isn’t a defense for this. I fail to see where Syria is anymore a villain than Saudi Arabia. Someone had mentioned the term “Petro dollars” being a factor and I a have also mention this on posts on the past. This is much more a determining factor than many other issues of who is friend and who is foe.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Ya think the Chinese knew the Sarin gas attack was coming before the Chinese arrived in Florida?

And maybe the Chinese wanted to witness Trump’s vacillation and humiliation personally and up close?

And maybe Trump knew ALL OF THIS before hand?

And maybe the Chinese and the North Koreans and the Russians and the Iranians were all SHOCKED, SHOCKED, I TELL YOU by Trump’s actual reaction?

President Reagan threw his doubters into confusion when he fired the Air Traffic Controllers … and OMG, if Reagan would do that to his own people, then what would he do do us … kind of thing.

So, there was Trump … arrived at Mar-A-Lago AFTER the Chinese … breach of protocol … and then announced the cruise missile attack during dessert with the Chinese … another breach of protocol …

So, some heads will roll in China because China lost face.

And the North Koreans are left scratching their heads.

And do you think anyone will buy any more of those EXPENSIVE Russian air defense systems like they sold to Syria?

 

[RomanoAmerio]

The indisputable fact that Zionism , and all of its various appendages , has an inordinate influence upon American geopolitical views and actions can no longer be obscured by the blanket slander of the cries of “Anti-Semitism”. Truth can be uncomfortable , but many of us choose to look with eyes wide open and views unfiltered.

United States foreign policy can never be viewed without factoring-in this inordinate Zionist influence. To do so is foolish…and frankly…false.

Dear Unafraid,

Where did I speak of anti-Semitism?

Methinks you doth protest too much.

 

[Abba]

I just want to share this link as it provides a nice historical background which is always good to have under your belt. merip.org/primer-palestine-israel-arab-israeli-conflict-new

The time game is played very well, accepting peace treaties etc… with absolutely no intentions to follow thru as the decades go by and international laws are ignored. The government of Israel has been excavating for decade under Palestinian land and stay it doesn’t matter as it is only a matter of time when it will all be ours. zionism-israel.com/his/Israel_war_independence_1948_timeline.htm

 

[KSU]

A couple of decades ago, a once-proud, God-fearing, Constitution-supporting American Political Party was subverted and destroyed. In its place came organized militants who gained raw political power through the promise of economic “equality” and freedom from the judicial tyranny of an outdated Constitution–most notably genital freedom from the constraints of religion.

The November 2017 elections were to be a mere formality which would usher in the European Socialist model. The Founders’ America whereby rights came from God, not the Government, would finally be vanquished. The Arab Spring would be allowed to produce its jihadist summer flower (fertilized with sarin gas), and China, North Korea and Russia would be dealt with by skilled diplomacy.

But God works through mysterious ways, His wonders to perform. As Fr. Pfleger might have said during a sermon at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago : “And then, out of nowhere, came ‘Hey, I’m Donald Trump,’ And [Clinton] said, ‘Oh damn, where did you come from?’”

 

[MaryT777]

Shows the hypocrisy of this president and the hypocrisy of republicans

Wowsa, that’s pretty blanket statement about Republicans…surely you are not seriously saying ALL republicans are hypocrites are you?

 

[chloride]

A couple of decades ago, a once-proud, God-fearing, Constitution-supporting American Political Party was subverted and destroyed.

A historical survey of the major American political parties from the Whigs to the modern Democrats and Republicans suggest few, if any, were particularly God-fearing, and generally more than willing to go outside the bounds of the Constitution if it suited their needs. Pure political idealism hasn’t been seen in the mainstream political parties since the early 19th century.

In its place came organized militants who gained raw political power through the promise of economic “equality”

Have you considered that such views may have gained support because there are rampant and harsh economic inequalities that in some way need to be addressed? Or do you just think that unregulated capitalism will somehow fix this?

and freedom from the judicial tyranny of an outdated Constitution–most notably genital freedom from the constraints of religion.

For a country that prides itself on freedom of religion and the separation of church and state, I have to wonder why there should have been religiously-motivated legal constraints on people’s private (sexual) lives in the first place.

The November 2017 elections were to be a mere formality which would usher in the European Socialist model.

I assume that your belief in eschewing of anything considered “socialist” means you’d also support the repeal of the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 and the subsequent enacting of a regulatory state for commerce, Social Security introduced through FDR’s “New Deal”, and Medicaid.

The Founders’ America whereby rights came from God, not the Government, would finally be vanquished.

Do you seriously believe that the Democrats would throw out the Constitution?

The Arab Spring would be allowed to produce its jihadist summer flower (fertilized with sarin gas),

Currently, it looks like the US is striking the Syrian government forces, the ones generally considered to not be Jihadists, because it looks like right now they are the ones using chemical weapons.

and China, North Korea and Russia would be dealt with by skilled diplomacy.

So you’d rather deal with them through more Cold-War brinksmanship and a knock-down-drag-out war if need be? Because that’s the alternative to diplomacy.

But God works through mysterious ways, His wonders to perform. As Fr. Pfleger might have said during a sermon at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago : “And then, out of nowhere, came ‘Hey, I’m Donald Trump,’ And [Clinton] said, ‘Oh damn, where did you come from?’”

Ugh.

 

[edwest2]

buffalo;14580767:

We are all God’s children. It really doesn’t matter where we think mankind first started, it is where we end up that matters. Those who look at skin or geographical origin are missing an important fact.

God doesn’t care, He created you the way He created you. He does not love you more or less than any other person He created.

P.S. Skin color and/or geographical origin does not matter to God, human is human.

Is is a point of contention. What you write is true but sometimes, scientists can’t get the whole picture and “unexpected” things are discovered. This is about human origins, not skin color.

Ed

 

[edwest2]

Dear Inisfallen,

It is with great sorrow that I have to agree with you, for I have noticed the same thing too often for it to be unintentional.

It was precisely for this reason that I, though a Traditionally-inclined Catholic man, was forced to flee the Internet forums that most Traditionally-minded folks frequent - I was tired of the constant Jewish conspiracy theories, the triple brackets, the constant sniggers and back-slaps (I speak in virtual terms, of course) whenever these issues were brought up…

I sincerely hope and pray that this infection does not spread to Catholic Answers Forums.

Lord have mercy on us all.

Well, I haven’t discovered such forums and I’m not asking you to name them, but certain ideas are less likely to spread if the truth can brought to bear. I’ve been to a few “let’s make noise about something” forums, or those where Bob is in charge and if you ask anything that challenges some carved in stone beliefs, it’s “Off with his head!” Mine, that is.

In the past, I had to dump a lot of forums because the nonsense level was so high, and not because of religious issues. At the same time, I keep up with certain fringe sites in order to warn others about what they’re marketing.

New packages, new labels to make the ongoing deceptions look like something other than what they are.

Ed

 

[edwest2]

Post-strike photographs:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4392962/Satellite-images-destruction-Assad-s-air-base.html

Satellite images of destruction at Syrian air base

Satellite images show destruction of Assad’s air base as US says 58 of 59 Tomahawk missiles hit their target - but Russia insists more than half of them MISSED

Before and after satellite images show how al-Shayrat military airfield was damaged in Thursday’s strike

The satellite pictures show damaged and destroyed aircraft shelters and massive blast marks on the ground

Trump launched 59 Tomahawk missiles from over 30 minutes from Mediterranean Sea, 150 miles away

Attack was in retaliation to Bashar al-Assad’s use of Sarin gas on Syrian civilians, killing 80 including children

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4392962/Satellite-images-destruction-Assad-s-air-base.html#ixzz4df3wkdC3
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With all due respect, I’ve seen plenty of damaged airfield photos. I do not know the accuracy of the Tomahawk, but the damage appears to be token, with a few fuzzy bits to add to the confusion. Are these images genuine? I doubt it.

Ed

 

[josh987654321]

It seems we have to agree to disagree then.

My reason to agree with President Trump’s action is as follow:

(1) It is a fact that some eighty people including children died of toxic gas.

(2) Whoever did the killing did it against the Geneva Convention and therefore was illegal, a war crime.

(3) The Intelligence feedback said that Assad was responsible. Yes, he denied it and his Foreign Minister gave a lengthy press conference to deny it. They said the chemical weapon was kept by the rebels in their ammunition depot which was bombed by the Syrian jets.

(4) The Russians concurred with the Syrian version and asked for further investigation.

(5) President Trump initiated the strike against the Syrian airfield where the jets were launched that caused the chemical weapon death. There were some six Syrian soldiers killed and much of the airfield and fighter planes destroyed.

(6) The Syrians said four children were also killed in the American strike even though it was done at 3 o’clock in the morning and targeted at the airfield, mostly aeroplane shelters.

With the facts above, I would rather believe the Americans rather than Assad and the Russians. In any case, people, including children died by the poison gas.

Granted the Syrians have their version of the incident. I would think it is more likely that Assad had the chemical weapon rather than the rebels and besides he had the planes to deliver them, whereas the rebels did not.

Assad had a history of killing his people with poison gas, the last one was in 2013. His father did it too when he was alive. It seemed a common deterrence used by them to intimidate their people.

The strike was surgical – the Russians were informed before it was launched and the target was a military base. Considering the gravity of the strike, collateral damage was minimal. It is hard to believe that children were killed at 3am in a military airfield. Even if it was true, the Syrians had definitely used human shield knowing (they admitted that they knew the strike was coming) that the strike was coming. It was therefore a very inhuman thing to do. How could we allow such person to get away with murder?

Punitive strike at the Syrian airfield at the moment is just that. The Syrian rebels are not saints either. Maybe the Americans should not be involved at all and let them kill themselves to kingdom come. But making a statement at war crime (by chemical weapon) is reasonable action and for that I agree with President Trump.

The strike sent a message that chemical warfare is a no no and Trump would not compromise with it. It would also send a message to potential user of chemical weapon or maybe to the North Koreans.

President trump had chosen a course of action that is fair if he wanted to be taken seriously on something fundamentally wrong, inhuman and against humanity.

As for sharing information with the Russians, that would be the ideal situation but in reality, such situation does not exist with the Russians. There is so much to hide, so much at stake to outdo one another. America and Russia are still adversaries in many ways even though the Cold war was over, which one should not expect the Russians to suddenly changed just because of it.

I can grant some of the points you made, but still strongly disagree with this strike, and am very disappointed that Trump and no one in Trumps administration seemed to know better and point out the obvious as I did above, as you didn’t respond to the points I made.

I do not agree to disagree, such folly will lead to only one logical outcome. The US cannot police the world on their own, especially not while basically going directly against Russia (Who are prepared now should the US strike in a similar manner again, so obviously it didn’t do anything other than escalate and make matters worse)

Not to mention, further harm a relationship with Russia that is absolutely vital for any solution to work, and not just drag more people into the conflict and prolong the killing. This kind of folly is something I expected of the previous administration and Clinton, not the change we were hoping for with Trump.

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[edwest2]

I can grant some of the points you made, but still strongly disagree with this strike, and am very disappointed that Trump and no one in Trumps administration seemed to know better and point out the obvious as I did above, as you didn’t respond to the points I made.

I do not agree to disagree, such folly will lead to only one logical outcome. The US cannot police the world on their own.

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”

Thank you for reading
Josh

Those countries with the power become the first, second and third players in the management of warfare. The US is not doing it on its own either. China has modernized, especially its Air Force. Side views of the new generation of Chinese jets show a mix of US and Russian features.

The real goal here is unknown. What “interests” are being protected is unknown. From a military/tactical point of view, these powerful countries tend to back “their man” since extremists taking over would not be a good idea.

Ed

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I can grant some of the points you made, but still strongly disagree with this strike, and am very disappointed that Trump and no one in Trumps administration seemed to know better and point out the obvious as I did above, as you didn’t respond to the points I made.

Have you considered the possibility that Trump has access to military intellience, including radar tracks of the all the planes in the air over Syria, that he acted upon, but is unable to publicly release? Maybe he does know better than you.

 

[josh987654321]

Have you considered the possibility that Trump has access to military intellience, including radar tracks of the all the planes in the air over Syria, that he acted upon, but is unable to publicly release? Maybe he does know better than you.

Yes, I have considered that, but given Russia’s response and how it has escalated, he obviously doesn’t in this regard, without Russia onboard, anything the US do in Syria will only escalate things and make matters much, much worse.

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Vouthon]

independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-syria-air-strikes-us-representing-the-world-twitter-tweet-russia-latest-a7674251.html

**Donald Trump says US ‘representing the world’ in Syria air strikes

President suggests military action was taken on behalf of all nations

Donald Trump has said the US was “representing the world” when it conducted air strikes on a Syrian military base.

The President took to Twitter to say: “Congratulations to our great military men and women for representing the United States, and the world, so well in the Syria attack.”**

 

[Reuben_J]

I can grant some of the points you made, but still strongly disagree with this strike, and am very disappointed that Trump and no one in Trumps administration seemed to know better and point out the obvious as I did above, as you didn’t respond to the points I made.

I do not agree to disagree, such folly will lead to only one logical outcome. The US cannot police the world on their own, especially not while basically going directly against Russia (Who are prepared now should the US strike in a similar manner again, so obviously it didn’t do anything other than escalate and make matters worse)

Not to mention, further harm a relationship with Russia that is absolutely vital for any solution to work, and not just drag more people into the conflict and prolong the killing. This kind of folly is something I expected of the previous administration and Clinton, not the change we were hoping for with Trump.

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”

Thank you for reading
Josh

I am not sure what is your points. Let me say it for you and correct me if I am wrong.

You disagree with Trump’s action because the strike would:

1. Spoil US relation with Russia which is needed to address the problem in Syria.
2. Trump did not know that it was Assad’s planes that dropped the chemical bomb.
3. The US cannot police Syria (and the world)?
4. There will be war with Russia.

If they are as the above, then I do not agree with you. None of those happen and I believe Trump knew that Assad was responsible.

You still did not address my point that the airstrike was surgical and that people include children were killed by chemical weapon. You did not comment why such inhuman act should not go unpunished and to tell the world that it should not be done.

I want to ask you: are you ok that children should be gassed to death?

 

[pnewton]

Even if Assad was responsible, which I have my doubts, he should have shared the evidence with Russia and dialogued with Russia for a joint effort to curb their use and ultimately resolve the Syrian conflict together with Russia.

Without Russia, any move by the US in Syria will only make matters worse.

Oh? Did someone cede Syria to Russia? They want to plant a warship off the Syria coast. Fine. They have no claim on Syria though.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Yes, I have considered that, but given Russia’s response and how it has escalated, he obviously doesn’t in this regard, without Russia onboard, anything the US do in Syria will only escalate things and make matters much, much worse.

Let me clarify. I am not disagreeing with you over the wisdom (or rather the lack of it) of unilateral action in this air strike. I do not support the actions Trump has taken. But I do think Syrian aircraft released the chemical weapons, because we track every aircraft from the moment it leaves the ground

 

[pnewton]

Around inauguration day, a guy who’s a natural born skeptic made a prediction to me about Trump, that sadly has got me wondering. He said 6 months from now, the people who hate Trump the most, certainly won’t like him, but they won’t be as obsessed or worried about him either, and the people who love him the most will be rather disappointed. When I look at the names of the people praising him today, and compare it with those criticizing them, it look’s like my friend’s prediction might be spot on.

Just to be clear, I only posted about this action. I think it important that as many as possible have the integrity to recognize those things that are positive in those they do not generally agree with. I also like some decision made by President Obama, and admire his character. Though without a doubt, President Bush was the last president I really supported.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I doubt if the world cheered when they saw victims of the sarin attack in Syria do you?