Trump or Hillary?

  • Thread starter Thread starter FractalFire
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
We clearly see things differently. I certainly understand why Donald Trump is an appealing candidate to many. He just doesn’t appeal to me.

Every citizen should vote their conscience.
Hi,
Why are we discussing these two candidates? Hillary is a murderess. Picture yourself, having a son that is a contractor or Ambasador. My son was guarding the embassy in Kabul,Afghanistan. They had 2 attacks while he was on duty. He could have been in Benghazi. The Ambassador asked for help 2 weeks before the attack. The contractors went through their company. ALL REQUESTS FOR HELP DENIED. That was before the stupid movie. So the attack starts. There were helicopters in another city that could have been there shooting the enemy. Why wasn’t that order given? 13 hours of fighting, kidnapping our Ambassador, torturing our Ambassador. I think it was 6 hours to fly their special unit down from Italy. STAND DOWN. This is not a Commander in chief.
If you Google National debt, you will find we still had a national debt the years they were in. We haven’t been in the black since Andrew Jackson I think.
They moved money around. Kasich got Ohio out of debt. THEIR educatonal system improved. Jeb Bush had his state in the black. Improved schools Ohio and Florida improved their medical program.
Ben Carson, a gift from God. He doesn’t need this. His country is out of control and he is sacrificing his life for our country.If you are a tad bit smarter than the average person. If you can make good decisions in a short time including his cabinets thoughts. That is all you can ask for. Hopefully, he will have integrity in the way he lives his personal life.
DEPENDING ON WHETHER THE LAME DUCK TRIES TO FILL ANTONIO’S SEAT, AND HE WILL, THE SUPREME COURT IS AFFECTED. The only way I see it is, a candidate is presented by Obama and we prolong the vote till after the election.
If we change any votes for Democrats and we don’t keep the lead in Congress, we will be unequally yoked.
Trump lost me this last debate. He was petulant and
Angry. He walked off the stage after bantering with Bush about Pres, George H.W Bush, Pres George W. Bush an d Barbara He was boo’d 3 times from the floor. I pray for God’s wisdomn and love. If we win and stay in control of Congress, great things can happen depending on democrats being a little helpful.
Most of the 17 candidates could be cabinet members.
The Jewish people and CATHOLICS PUT HIM IN, EVEN THOUGH WHEN LIFE STARTS, IT IS OUT OF HIS PAY GRADE. He stated HE WOULD WORK FOR PALESTINE AND ISRAELI PEACE. HE WOULD TALK WITH TERRORISTS. He told you what you were going to get.
John MCCAIN IS A hero? I hAve to end this.
5 things matter1-homeland security —build up our military.
2.19trillion dollars in debt
3.abortion
4. Border control
5. Medicare
May our consciences be in sync with God’s
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
She is extreme on abortion.
Bernie Sanders is pulling Clinton to the extreme left in the primaries. It will be fascinating to watch how she tacks to the center in the election if she is the nominee.

She may have been around when Bill was president, but what did she accomplish? What country do we have better relations with as a result of her tenure as SoS? Anyone who thinks she is a centrist must not go back very far with her.
 
Bernie Sanders is pulling Clinton to the extreme left in the primaries. It will be fascinating to watch how she tacks to the center in the election if she is the nominee.

She may have been around when Bill was president, but what did she accomplish? What country do we have better relations with as a result of her tenure as SoS? Anyone who thinks she is a centrist must not go back very far with her.
I read this somewhere…

*Let’s see how there approaches differ:

Bernie wants to break up the big banks, re-implement glass steagall and completely regulate wall street. Hillary wants to do nothing of the sort, is against glass steagal and obviously does not want to regulate wall street whatsoever

Bernie wants to release marijuana related offenders, end mass incarceration, eliminate the death penalty, eliminate private prisons. Hillary is paid by private prisons, thinks marijuana is a gateway drug and loves capital punishment.

Bernie despises the Patriot act, wants a free internet, wants to eliminate NSA spying programs. Hillary is the exact opposite on all three.

Bernie is a pacifist who wants to go to war as a last resort. Hillary is a war hawk.

Completely different ideas on minimum wage, college tuition, tax plans.

Bernie wants to regulate pharmaceutical companies and put a federal cap on drug prices. Hillary wants the drug companies who pay her hundreds of millions of dollars to have free reign just as they do right now in the Affordable Care Act.

The only things they are remotely similar on is social issues such as abortion, affirmative action, slightly on immigration and possibly gay marriage. (Although even that is debatable for Clinton). They have literally zero in common when it comes to their economic beliefs or foreign policy*
 
Especially in the wake of Justice Scalia’s untimely death, someone needs to draft Mitt Romney. He’s the only adult in the room. Really.
Ok, let’s draft someone who has run twice and lost twice. Great logic!
 
Evangelical will pick Trump over any Mormon, any day of the week, sad but true.
I just can’t see that. Just how attractive to Evangelicals will be a multi-divorced president whose name is splashed over gambling casinos and gaudy entertainment?

4 years ago Romney was the victim of some awkward statements on his part, plus a political slime machine that made the case he wasn’t fit to be president because of his “binder full of women,” his “47%” statement, and that he drove with a dog on his car roof. This time, that’s all old news and everything about him is out there. It’s been admitted that he correctly called several international situations were Obama elected again.

Somehow I don’t think Romney’s prior unsuccessful campaign will count for much against Benghazi, the vast dirty money machine that is the “Clinton Family Foundation,” the e-mail issue, all of Hillary’s decades of other baggage, and the increasingly lefty positions she takes as she becomes a “me too” to Sanders and attempts to fend off Elizabeth Warren.

Of course, the American public - and certainly the media - seem always willing to have a very short memory when it comes to Democrat failures, but still seems to remember that VP Quayle mis-spelled “potato” decades ago.
 
4 years ago Romney was the victim of some awkward statements on his part, plus a political slime machine that made the case he wasn’t fit to be president because of his “binder full of women,” his “47%” statement, and that he drove with a dog on his car roof. This time, that’s all old news and everything about him is out there. It’s been admitted that he correctly called several international situations were Obama elected again.
None of those faux pas (?) should have deterred evangelical turnout of Romney. It was always reluctant support for the Mormon.

Trump has populist support never achieved by Romney.
 
I just can’t see that. Just how attractive to Evangelicals will be a multi-divorced president whose name is splashed over gambling casinos and gaudy entertainment?
The evangelicals in SC are currently supporting The Donald over Cruz (an actual evangelical) and Rubio (a very conservative Catholic). In fact, the evangelicals in SC supported Gingrich (who also was twice divorced and married 3 times) 4 years ago.
 
Suppose that Trump wins the Republican nomination and Hillary wins the Democratic nomination. (You can discuss how likely this in in the comments, if you want; for now, just run a thought experiment with me.) Would you vote for Trump or Hillary? Would you abandon your current party or typical voting block to do so?
Jumping in late on this discussion…

I can not see myself vote for Clinton or Trump. I also don’t want to waste my vote as voting 3rd party would be exactly that. I’d have to vote for the candidate that would do the least damage. Quite frankly, I’m undecided who would do more damage to this country. Both would be a disaster. Sanders would also be a disaster. That’s where I stand at the present.
 
The evangelicals in SC are currently supporting The Donald over Cruz (an actual evangelical) and Rubio (a very conservative Catholic). In fact, the evangelicals in SC supported Gingrich (who also was twice divorced and married 3 times) 4 years ago.
Maybe other factors are more important to evangelicals than we are led to believe.
 
Jumping in late on this discussion…

I can not see myself vote for Clinton or Trump. I also don’t want to waste my vote as voting 3rd party would be exactly that. I’d have to vote for the candidate that would do the least damage. Quite frankly, I’m undecided who would do more damage to this country. Both would be a disaster. Sanders would also be a disaster. That’s where I stand at the present.
How is it said, I’m trying to remember how someone said it on the Hugh Hewitt show; something like both of them would be un-electable unless they run against each other!
 
I can not see myself vote for Clinton or Trump. I also don’t want to waste my vote as voting 3rd party would be exactly that. I’d have to vote for the candidate that would do the least damage. Quite frankly, I’m undecided who would do more damage to this country. Both would be a disaster. Sanders would also be a disaster. That’s where I stand at the present.
I’m mostly in line with this, except that I don’t mind “throwing away my vote” to maintain my conscience. I was one of the 37% percent who “threw their vote away” on Jesse Ventura and he became my governor 😃

For President, I normally pick between the Republican candidate and a third party candidate. If it’s Trump, I will probably vote third party (which is how I voted in the poll).
 
I’m mostly in line with this, except that I don’t mind “throwing away my vote” to maintain my conscience. I was one of the 37% percent who “threw their vote away” on Jesse Ventura and he became my governor 😃

For President, I normally pick between the Republican candidate and a third party candidate. If it’s Trump, I will probably vote third party (which is how I voted in the poll).
Did the Jesse tenure destroy your state? So lamented one of my relatives, but could provide no specifics 🙂 Something about the state was a laughing stock and it scared away businesses, etc.
 
As an outsider, I rather enjoyed the times when I heard Jesse Ventura speak. It is refreshing to see a politician speak his mind, and not be particularly concerned if some of the things he says are not too well thought out, or outside of the bounds of good taste.
Having a sense of humor does not make someone a laughing stock, not in my books anyway.

I have no idea if he was a good governor for his state or not. I doubt that I shared the same political principles as he was about either, not that I needed to pay to much attention to him in that regard.
 
Our conscience should be aligned w Jesus.
Would he kill babies
Would he allow genocide of Christians or Jews
The enemy is Satan. Would he want us to be victorious over his horrible deeds.
Jesus wouldn’t necessarily care about the debt but it is so bad, it is a sin.
Ecology we are guilty of some of this BUT, THERE WAS AN ICE AGE BEFORE PEOPLE AND IT MELTED. THERE WAS A MINI ICE AGE IN THE 1500’S AND IT APPEARED ON ITS OWN AND MELTED ON ITS OWN. NO CARS OR A/C. THEY JUST HAD EXPELLED METHANE GAS. Too many cows farting ?
Today we had a tsunami in Thailand that moved our axis a tiny amount??0.003% Something like that and the gulf stream did what. Then we get a 10 degree
Change in the magnetic North pole 3 yrs sgo, I think. And El Nino is doing what? THERE Is A HOLE IN
The sun the size of a football field that can increase solar flares. Scientist are forgetting to mention these things. Centuries ago, the North and South poles flipped, magnetically. The aurora boraelis was at the bottom of the earth. So, we need to reduce fossil fuels but share only a little bit of guilt.
Google Thailand tsunami changing axis. Google magnetic pole shift. Google mini ice age.
God help us if people can’t see God’s light in the voting booths. Kasich, Bush, Carson, Rubio. First 2 balanced their budgets, got jobs for their states. Jeb dealt w 8 hurricanes.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
I read this somewhere…

*Let’s see how there approaches differ:

Bernie wants to break up the big banks, re-implement glass steagall and completely regulate wall street. Hillary wants to do nothing of the sort, is against glass steagal and obviously does not want to regulate wall street whatsoever

Bernie wants to release marijuana related offenders, end mass incarceration, eliminate the death penalty, eliminate private prisons. Hillary is paid by private prisons, thinks marijuana is a gateway drug and loves capital punishment.

Bernie despises the Patriot act, wants a free internet, wants to eliminate NSA spying programs. Hillary is the exact opposite on all three.

Bernie is a pacifist who wants to go to war as a last resort. Hillary is a war hawk.

Completely different ideas on minimum wage, college tuition, tax plans.

Bernie wants to regulate pharmaceutical companies and put a federal cap on drug prices. Hillary wants the drug companies who pay her hundreds of millions of dollars to have free reign just as they do right now in the Affordable Care Act.

The only things they are remotely similar on is social issues such as abortion, affirmative action, slightly on immigration and possibly gay marriage. (Although even that is debatable for Clinton). They have literally zero in common when it comes to their economic beliefs or foreign policy*
You have illustrated beautifully why neither one of them would be good for the country:)
 
Did the Jesse tenure destroy your state? So lamented one of my relatives, but could provide no specifics 🙂 Something about the state was a laughing stock and it scared away businesses, etc.
Haha, not even a little. Sure we became a punchline for jokes, but that’s about it. I’ve never even heard the charge that we lost businesses, much less seen any evidence of it. And I say that as someone who was not too happy with his tenure (I became disillusioned when he decided to use his position to cash in for personal wealth rather than actually work to make long-term change to the two-party system).
 
Haha, not even a little. Sure we became a punchline for jokes, but that’s about it. I’ve never even heard the charge that we lost businesses, much less seen any evidence of it. And I say that as someone who was not too happy with his tenure (I became disillusioned when he decided to use his position to cash in for personal wealth rather than actually work to make long-term change to the two-party system).
My very liberal relative was insisting the whole country would end up like MN if Trump wins :rolleyes:

Anti Trump people are highly emotional about their opinions. She laments Trump’s lack of experience and yet insists Obama was highly experienced to lead the country, when he started running as a Freshman Senator.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top