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So this might mean no Sunnis have fought for Assad (his wife is Sunni) nor been in his cabinet and officers. Thanks, I think I understand the meaning of absurdity now.
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If there isn’t an endgame in sight, I think it’s right to pull out. As a vet and former government contractor, I know many things are involved in these decisions that never reach the public. Sometimes we have to trust the right moves are being made. I’d rather we pull out than end up in another Vietnam.
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1)Here is a video showing that Syrian Government took more land back from ISIS than SDF:
1)(I cant post links so type in SYRIA WAR MAP EVERY DAY into YouTube search bar)
2)American airstrikes killed more civilians than members of ISIS:
2)(Type in “America kills more civillians than ISIS NPR” into Google search bar) (NPR is American public radio)
3)Look at total anti-government deaths, click on the notation by ISIL and count em up. You will see Assad killed way more.
3)(Type in “Syria civil war death total” and click wilipedia link, then go to anti government casualties)
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You complain thay Assad killed people with bombs but America bombed thousands and America’s invasion was illegal. “They gassed” but hpw many died due to gassing? A few hundred, maybe? 500 THOUSAND died because of the conflict that the USA helped start. Bullets killed thousands more than gas, and who gave the terrorists the bullets? Why do they fire american assault rifles and use america tow missiles and american mortars? Who gave ISIS hundreds of brand new Toyota’s?
You think radical Sunni terrorists are fighting with Assad? How does he keep them and Hezbollah from fighting each other then because Hezbollah works with Assad and they hate rasical Sunnis?
You accuse me of listening to russian propaganda but you listen to US media…
Hopefully someone can upload the links for me because i can’t. But these are all sourced from Western media. NPR is Western and Wikipedia is not Russian lol
1)(I cant post links so type in SYRIA WAR MAP EVERY DAY into YouTube search bar)
2)American airstrikes killed more civilians than members of ISIS:
2)(Type in “America kills more civillians than ISIS NPR” into Google search bar) (NPR is American public radio)
3)Look at total anti-government deaths, click on the notation by ISIL and count em up. You will see Assad killed way more.
3)(Type in “Syria civil war death total” and click wilipedia link, then go to anti government casualties)
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You complain thay Assad killed people with bombs but America bombed thousands and America’s invasion was illegal. “They gassed” but hpw many died due to gassing? A few hundred, maybe? 500 THOUSAND died because of the conflict that the USA helped start. Bullets killed thousands more than gas, and who gave the terrorists the bullets? Why do they fire american assault rifles and use america tow missiles and american mortars? Who gave ISIS hundreds of brand new Toyota’s?
You think radical Sunni terrorists are fighting with Assad? How does he keep them and Hezbollah from fighting each other then because Hezbollah works with Assad and they hate rasical Sunnis?
You accuse me of listening to russian propaganda but you listen to US media…
Hopefully someone can upload the links for me because i can’t. But these are all sourced from Western media. NPR is Western and Wikipedia is not Russian lol
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Americans need to learn that we have believed lies because our media tries to paint everything black and white qhen actually things are not like that. There are nuances.
America funded Al Qaeda more than Russia ever did lol.
America funded Al Qaeda more than Russia ever did lol.
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Unfortunately we aren’t the ones being bombed. We aren’t the ones having our lives destroyed. We get to live our comfortable lives while destroying the lives of others. As a result we just dont care.
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Victoria33
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So when congress, and that was who lost Vietnam, cut off funding to Vietnam, that was okay? That is largely what lost that war. No thank you.
No comment on Assad’s barrel bombs? Those are designed to kill civilians.
What are you saying? We leave ISIS alone to commit terror? I note, the NPR article is discussing one unique city and that is Raqqa, what was the ISIS capital in Syria.
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So what does this mean? Our media (which I predicted would be said. We have dozens of outlets, infowars, breitbart, daily caller, these are not friendly to just airing lies. So, I find that a fail.
Again, we will just take this statement as being true with no backup, lol.
So what are you saying? We do nothing against genocide of Christians and allow terrorists like ISIS roam free and that millions of people flee Syria and come to Europe and USA? I certainly don’t believe all of this. Abandon allies who defeated one of the greatest evils since WWII?
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I don’t see what these maps prove. Syria is a lot of desert I see black areas of ISIS control actually being won by Rebels. The whole map is red to begin with.
BUT I guarantee anyone, that the capital of ISIS in Syria was Raqqa, SDF, the Kurds liberated Raqqa.
The capital of ISIS in Iraq was Mosul, I’d have to look that up, I thought the Kurds helped.
There are dozens and dozens of militias over there. That’s who the Russians fought mainly.
Barrel bombs target civilians, it’s how they are built, barrels full of explosives and nails. for most of these, one needs air, which the rebels did not have.
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Syria has been a state sponsorer of terrorism since 1978, they aided blowing up our marines in Beirut in 1983.
They allowed terrorist camps in Syria to attack US soldiers and other coalition members in Iraq.
In one city which was the ISIS capital. The death told they describe is something like 181 people but they think it is higher.
A half million people have died in the Syrian war. So, someone killed the rest.
Russia Is Abetting Mass Murder in Syria
By standing by and watching a slow-motion Rwanda unfold, the U.S. risks becoming an accessory to evil.
www.theatlantic.com
Syrian Archive finds 'overwhelming' Russian atrocities – DW – 03/28/2017
A Berlin-based research project has concluded that Russia and the Syrian regime are responsible for the majority of attacks on civilians in Aleppo. The project verified some 1,748 videos over a six-month period.
www.dw.com
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The Soviets invaded Afghanistan in the 80s and the Americans funded the mujhadeen. Most of them became the Taliban and Al Qaeda. This is a historical fact.
That is not where the majority of their forces were. 1400 ISIS died in Raqqa. 6000 died in fight for Palmyra.
The US military only admits to 180 but there are over 1400 bodies. Amnesty International and other WESTERN organizations say the death toll is in the thousands.
And Obama, an American President, helped start that war. And he also funded and armed “rebels” who are mostly various terrorist groups like Jahbat Fatah al Sham. America funds terrorists all over the world. SDF is Kurdish? Go look up Kurdish terror attacks. SDF works with PKK who also committed many terrorist attacks. Acting like America is innocent. Actually no one ia innocent. Assad is not a good person but America has no right to instigate a civil war that kills over a half of a million people because they don’t like him.
The Iraqis had to fight the Kurds after they (Iraqis and Americans) retook Mosul because the Kurds tried to create an autonomous state inside of Iraq. That is what the Kurds really want, is to create a whole new State out of existing land. They are not “heroes” they have their own interests and they only fight for us because they think we can help them. Guess what? They also are making deals with Assad! Wow, so I guess our “allies” the Kurds are not as heroic as you think since they will work with such a horrible person like Assad to keep Turkey from attacking them.
Also American ally Turkey beat up American citizens IN AMERICA who were protesting Erdogan. Erdogan slaughtered hundreds of innocent people during the failed coup. Oh i guess we should invade Turkey because they have a dictator who sponsors terrorist… Oh wait, that is a member of NATO and suposedly our ally. But Turkey slaughters Kurds in northern Syria so how are they both our ally?
“Russia is the bad guy!” Says America as they invade more countries than Russia has and start two massive wars that kill millions of people. Hmmmmmm…
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The US nuked two cities. The US napalmed the Vietnamese. The US said it was worth half a million dead Iraqi children to get rid of Saddam Hussein (which they didn’t do by killing the aforementioned children. The idea the US is morally outraged at civilians being killed is silly to me. It is just something they trot out to justify their killing of civilians.
As for what I recommend I suggest isolating that area of the world. We don’t go there and they don’t come here. Terrorism would be solved that easily. I also suggest we don’t sell them arms or covertly interfere with their politics.
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exnihilo
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That is an American tradition. We partnered with one of the worst murderers in history to give half of Christendom over to godless communism.
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Victoria33
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Thanks for the history lesson, that is known. That is getting to off-topic. What were we suppose to do? Let thousands of our men die versus Japan?
Also, you talk of isolating an area. Again, in the real world, that is not going to happen.
You did not answer one question but resorted to blame America.
Again, I don’t think this can be proven. And I don’t see why you mention this if you are willing to abandon the Kurds.
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Matis has quit
www.bbc.com
US Defence Secretary James Mattis announces resignation
James Mattis says President Trump should appoint someone "whose views are more aligned with yours".
www.bbc.com
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Yes, America is my country and I love this country but we have committed many sins against the world by sticking our nose in other people’s business. And we usually make it worse.
Notice how we don’t attack Saudi Arabia or Egypt or Turkey, even though they are all dictators who sponsor terrorists. We don’t attack Israel who bombs civilians. Our media pretends we are heroes only doing what is right and killing bad guys, but those bad guys are all conviently against some other political or monetary interest we have.
We need to stop. No more American blood for CIA pipe-dreams of world domination.
Notice how we don’t attack Saudi Arabia or Egypt or Turkey, even though they are all dictators who sponsor terrorists. We don’t attack Israel who bombs civilians. Our media pretends we are heroes only doing what is right and killing bad guys, but those bad guys are all conviently against some other political or monetary interest we have.
We need to stop. No more American blood for CIA pipe-dreams of world domination.
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Victoria33
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Never heard of Chechnya? Never heard of Georgia? Never heard of Molddova? Never heard of Ukraine?
2 massive wars in Chechnya alone and that is inside Russia. Hmmmn
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There is a dedicated thread on that.
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No one said Russia was good. They are just as bad.
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exnihilo
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You are the one who mentioned the killing of civilians.
Nothing about the real ness of the world prevents us from keeping people from coming into our country or us going to theirs. We have a travel ban and embargo on Cuba. Should we scrap that then since this is the real world?
It absolutely can be proven the US Secretary of State thought half a million dead Iraqi children was worth it.
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US foreign policy gives us no moral authority. As you say they just pick and chose who they want to target without regard to fairness. It is kind of like our domestic legal system. The issue isn’t did the people we target do bad things. The issue is they let people who do far worse things carry on and even partner with them.
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Who is the secretary of State, I will look it up. Still, that’s 20 years, 10 years ago. Whatever it is. This is a different age, we learn from our mistakes. Abandoning the Kurds as we abandoned Vietnam does not seem to be an objective lesson.
The USA would not be a nation without allies, such as France, we probably would not have won World War II just by ourselves. We should not abandon those who have helped us.
People do see things differently:
THE KURDISH FIGHT IS HUMANITY’S FIGHT
I would like to believe that the United States can once again assume the mantle of the moral leader of the world.
The Kurdish fight is humanity’s fight | The Jerusalem Post
I would like to believe that the United States can once again assume the mantle of the moral leader of the world.
www.jpost.com
See, “MORAL AUTHORITY”, sure, we have made lots of mistakes, people count on us to. We don’t need to abandon people in Rwanda or wherever, Bosnia.
For however many died in Raqqa, the Syrian war has seen probably a half million killed. Raqqa was the capital and Russia did bomb Raqqa assuredly, that was when Russia first arrived in Syria. That was well reported on.
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