Trump stands by statements on Mexican illegal immigrants, surprised by backlash

[Path_Finder]

You do realize Europeans stole, exploited, and raped the Americas from indigenous peoples?! Before anyone talks about so called “illegal immigration,” one must address the horrible history of colonialism and imperialism by White Europeans. We are all illegal immigrants, aside from purely indigenous peoples. Sorry.

There’s a lot more to it than what you are saying, Apocalypto by Mel Gibson has a lot of truth, sorry, we must be talking about Aztec and Mayan privilege. Those people practiced human sacrifice, Native Americans in North America raided each other. This isn’t the one way street you are talking about.

Mexico has been close to a failed state, violence there. All that could happen is we become like a failed state as well.

 

[grotto]

This is what you call White Privilege my good people. This is what White Privledge is. When you fail to see or understand what racism and predjudice really and truly is, that is White Privledge. I’m sorry. Just saying.

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Nope! You are spouting white racism by labeling “white privelege”! I understand predjudice and I do not think you are going to stop applying it. “I’m sorry” is not gonna get it. Also, you have repeatedly put your comments on this thread - its annoying to have to scroll past all of it and “thats no bueno”.

 

[Path_Finder]

All Americans immigrated, all.

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

 

[sallybutler]

With your definition, every business would be big business, making the term meaningless, and not what is understood by the term today. When you use it, it makes it sound like major corporations are the ones abusing illegal aliens, when it’s really small businesses.

That these independent small businesses associate and form lobbying groups that mutually benefit them at the expense of illegal aliens and American citizens trying to earn a living salary, is agreed. But the terms need to be exact, since the democrat propaganda makers overuse the term “big business” as the boogie man to generate hate towards their opponents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_business
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So, do you think employers (big or small) should be fined heavily for hiring people who are not qualified to work in this country?

 

[grotto]

So, do you think employers (big or small) should be fined heavily for hiring people who are not qualified to work in this country?

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Absolutely! If that doesn’t stop them - put the owner/operators in JAIL! This issue can be handled AFTER the border is SEALED OFF and all tunnels are BLOWN BACK! Our ports need 24/7 cargo testing and random examination also.

 

[maryjk]

Why should employers turn over undocumented immigrants? Why should undocumented immigrants be deported?

Undocumented? Try calling them what they are, illegal. And yes, since they came into this country illegally, they should be deported.

Why should there be rules and laws about who comes into this country and what kind of rules and laws would that entail?

Why should there be laws for any nation?

For the US, our laws should encourage only the best and the brightest to come to our country. We aren’t the country we were back in the 1800’s. We don’t need to encourage anyone and everyone.

Have you ever thought that all European Americans are “illegal immigrants?!” I mean, this lad was stolen from indigenous Americans. Yes, Europeans stole the Americas from indigenous peoples. So, aside from purely indigenous peoples, we are all undocumented immigrants.

Nope. But I am not part of La Raza.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Before Trump made his statement there had already existed among some the suspicion that if someone appeared to be Latin (irrespective of if the person actually was Latin) that the person is likely illegal and is assuming a parasitic position in society. There is also evidence of subtle biases against Latin sounding names. Were such biases not in existence than Trumps statements might have been viewed in a different way.

Statements like the ones he made could result in the disadvantage of more than just someone that illegally entered the country and engaged in illegal activity. They could impact biases that impact those that are not engaging in illegal activities and those that entered legally and even those whose ancestry was indigenous to this country. As such I understand why his statements were not tolerated and why some have chosen to disassociate with him.

 

[Path_Finder]

It’s no wonder Trump is getting so much support from Americans of all kind:

While illegal immigrants account for about 3.5 percent of the U.S population, they represented 36.7 percent of federal sentences in FY 2014 following criminal convictions, according to U.S. Sentencing Commission data obtained by Breitbart News.

According to FY 2014 USSC data, of 74,911 sentencing cases, citizens accounted for 43,479 (or 58.0 percent), illegal immigrants accounted for 27,505 (or 36.7 percent), legal immigrants made up 3,017 (or 4.0 percent), and the remainder (about 1 percent) were cases in which the offender was either extradited or had an unknown status.

breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/07/illegal-immigrants-accounted-for-nearly-37-percent-of-federal-sentences-in-fy-2014/

 

[ThatsNoBueno]

Undocumented? Try calling them what they are, illegal. And yes, since they came into this country illegally, they should be deported.Why should there be laws for any nation?

For the US, our laws should encourage only the best and the brightest to come to our country. We aren’t the country we were back in the 1800’s. We don’t need to encourage anyone and everyone.
Nope. But I am not part of La Raza.

No person or human is “illegal.” It’s funny how those on the far right are so “pro-life” when they’re not very “pro-life” outside the womb, in this case regarding undocumented and documented immigrants.

How would you define the “best” and he “brightest?!” That is a completely subjective and relative statement. All people have worth and value. That’s an undeniable fact.

 

[ThatsNoBueno]

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Nope! You are spouting white racism by labeling “white privelege”! I understand predjudice and I do not think you are going to stop applying it. “I’m sorry” is not gonna get it. Also, you have repeatedly put your comments on this thread - its annoying to have to scroll past all of it and “thats no bueno”.

What is “White Racism?!” White Privledge is a reality of life here in the United States and is experienced by countless People of Color. Does racism against Whites exist? Of course? However, how is calling out White Privledge an example of racism against White people? I’m sorry to hear that. Peace be with you.

 

[truetofaith]

Please refrain from using the term “illegal ailen(s)” that’s a highly offensive and derogatory term. Thank you. Hardworking Mexican-American families send money back to their poor families in Mexico. If the GOP is so quick to respond to an undocumented immigrant commuting a horrible crime, why doesn’t the GOP do anything (in terms of policy) regarding White young men shorting innocent people. These are double standards.

Why do people get “offended” so easily? If a person is not from this country they are an “alien”. Unless you’re thinking about aliens from outer space.

If they are not here legally they are illegal. If that fits a person’s situation…then they must accept the description.

 

[ThatsNoBueno]

Does the Catholic Church teach that we must take criminals into our homes when we know they will hurt our children? No!
Does the Catholic Church teach that we must give our children’s’ jobs to strangers, and our children do without? No!

The Holy family was persecuted and fled, as aliens, to Egypt for safety. The US allows persecuted aliens entry into the states. It sets limits on people who are only trying to improve their living standards. Do I blame people for trying to better themselves? No. Do I blame Americans who neglect their own children, their own responsibilities, and give them to someone else. Yes.

As a person, I will help the person next to me. Americans are very generous to those in need. As a government, we need to protect our country and follow our laws. Otherwise, why should anyone follow a law that is inconvenient or mean-spirited to them?

The vast majority of these people are not “criminals.” Besides, “criminal” is a subjective statement. I mean, protesters getting arrested can be considered “criminals” but what do I know?

 

[ThatsNoBueno]

Why do people get “offended” so easily? If a person is not from this country they are an “alien”. Unless you’re thinking about aliens from outer space.

If they are not here legally they are illegal. If that fits a person’s situation…then they must accept the description.

“Alien” has a different meaning and context from a social standpoint today than it did a couple decades ago.

If they are here without the proper documentation, they are “undocumented.”

Again, it’s funny how those on the Right are so “Pro-Life,” but not so very “Pro-Life” outside the womb.

You would have to stand in the shoes of a Person of Color to really understand why people are “so easily offended.” I do agree that people and society for that matter are “easily offended” but this is certainly not the case here.

 

[Path_Finder]

A lot of those coming across the border are actually from China I understand, maybe India too. No reason to imagine it is only against Latinos.

And by the way, how does Mexico treat those who enter illegally from Guatemala and Central America. Oh, this must be different. I guess the people in Mexico have Mexican Privilege.

 

[Path_Finder]

“Alien” has a different meaning and context from a social standpoint today than it did a couple decades ago.

If they are here without the proper documentation, they are “undocumented.”
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Again, it’s funny how those on the Right are so “Pro-Life,” but not so very “Pro-Life” outside the womb. **

You would have to stand in the shoes of a Person of Color to really understand why people are “so easily offended.” I do agree that people and society for that matter are “easily offended” but this is certainly not the case here.

No, it’s not funny nor do I think it’s true.

 

[truetofaith]

No person or human is “illegal.” It’s funny how those on the far right are so “pro-life” when they’re not very “pro-life” outside the womb, in this case regarding undocumented and documented immigrants.

How would you define the “best” and he “brightest?!” That is a completely subjective and relative statement. All people have worth and value. That’s an undeniable fact.

So, how can a human be “undocumented”? Unless, they have no birth certificate.

You are crying about words which really don’t mean a “hill of beans.”

 

[Path_Finder]

Border Patrol has certainly, many Hispanic officers. I don’t see how those who try to make this an issue dealing with race respond to this.

 

[Path_Finder]

Seeing how so many making that trek through Mexico deal with horrible things including death by crossing the Sonoran desert, I’m not sure if the ‘pro-open-borders’ crowd really care that much about the immigrants. Strict border enforcement would limit a lot of these bad things that happen.

 

[ThatsNoBueno]

There’s a lot more to it than what you are saying, Apocalypto by Mel Gibson has a lot of truth, sorry, we must be talking about Aztec and Mayan privilege. Those people practiced human sacrifice, Native Americans in North America raided each other. This isn’t the one way street you are talking about.

Mexico has been close to a failed state, violence there. All that could happen is we become like a failed state as well.

You do realize that Apocalypto is a work of fiction, right?

You are right that indigenous peoples are no different than their European supressors and overlords, but that doesn’t change the fact that Europeans did horrible and terrible stuff to indigenous peoples in the Americas, not to mention those in Africa and Asia. This is basic history.

What is Aztec or Mayan Privledge? Whites are the ones with power and control. Whites are the ones in social-economic-political systems of control that take advantage and exploit Peoples of Color. White Privledge is something that Whites particularly on the Right always deny because they are directly participating and benefiting from it.

The countries that many immigrants come from are a result of U.S. and other Western countries foreign policies in these countries. Look at the massive immigration into Europe. The Europeans did that to themselves through colonialism and imprealism.

 

[truetofaith]

“Alien” has a different meaning and context from a social standpoint today than it did a couple decades ago.

If they are here without the proper documentation, they are “undocumented.”

Again, it’s funny how those on the Right are so “Pro-Life,” but not so very “Pro-Life” outside the womb.

You would have to stand in the shoes of a Person of Color to really understand why people are “so easily offended.” I do agree that people and society for that matter are “easily offended” but this is certainly not the case here.

Hey my Grandfather used to get highly insulted when people called him a Mafioso…because he came from Sicily…but that is only ignorant people talking, so you ignore the stupidity!