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grotto said:
There is nothing charitable in suggesting Cardinal Burke was demoted and lending false support to the idea that the Holy Father Francis is opposed to his teaching. Its not only UN charitable it is a sin of calumny. Pope Francis stated: “It is not true that I removed him
because of how he behaved in the Synod.” Are you suggesting the Pope is lying?

“demoted” - may have altogether different meaning than you proclaim. You are not interested in the opinion of a twice demoted Archbishop as you say in your earlier post.

Enough is enough, stop your campaign of pro abortion candidates of the Democrat Party.

You have a free will, you may choose to continue but do not expect others to respect your efforts.
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Grotto, I never said he was removed because of anything he said during the synod. Frankly, I don’t know where that came from.

However, he was demoted by Pope Francis, not once, but twice. The headlines of the papers read:

“Pope Francis again demotes hard-line U.S. cardinal”

usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/11/08/pope-francis-demotes-conservative-us-cardinal-raymond-burke/18710769/

It is beyond me why you would want to support Cardinal Burke who said that under Pope Francis the Church was “like a ship without a rudder.” And he did say that. It’s in the article. That, in my opinion, is defaming our Holy Father.

I believe the Democratic candidates, either of them, will do more good for the country than any of the Republicans, and the good that they do will translate into more women deciding to keep their children because life is better.

I am entitled to my opinion, just as you, and everyone else, is entitled to their’s. I’m not out to change anyone’s vote; they should not be out to change mine. I respect their right to choose, and expect my right to choose to be so respected. I also have a right to stand with Pope Francis against Cardinal Burke, and I do.
 
A “ship without a rudder” is very apropos to the damage suffered by many of the faithful.
Decisions were made by committees, liturgy, religious education, musical directors, and newly titled names of Churches and the Priests. It has been like the “tail wagging the dog”.

Pull out the tabernacle and reduce the prominence of the Holy Eucharist (it causes distraction at Mass - the tabernacle - off - back over there - in that other hidden corner) … can you believe that one? Pull out the statues, take Christ’s body image off the cross, remove the kneelers (no need to humiliate yourself) - stand or sit, lounge or enjoy a snack, chew gum. Hymns? please. Stations of the Cross? - visual trauma.

The Trump thread by necessity must address the candidates for the Party of Death. Which by the way is very appropriate for the Democrats. There are more areas of governing our country that need immediate repair but none is more important than bringing about the beginning to the end of abortion culling the souls of the living. First is to obey God’s Law!

All this to say, once more till we get it right, no voting for abortion and those who promote and provide for it.
 
Crossbones said:
I’m thinking this is too simple.

**Trump supporters are mostly middle class or lower middle class blue-collar white people that feel disenfranchised by the current system. They are frustrated that, no matter who is in office, both parties support trade deals that enrich the top but cost them jobs. Neither party was against NAFTA and neither party really wants to fight the TPP (let’s face it, any Republican resistance is because they hate Obama, not because it doesn’t match establishment values).

Now, Trump is taking advantage of that frustration and turning it in directed anger. And the anger is directed towards immigrants (build the wall, refugees) and a desire to have a strong military (kick a little butt). Make America great again and to them, it means a strong middle class (never mind that Trump has no clear plan to do this).**

But Sanders’ supporters aren’t all that much difference. They mostly are young people who may have finished college and found that there isn’t the opportunities that they expected. They are frustrated as well, but Sanders is directing the frustration towards a stronger social safety net (free college, single payer health care) which may not particularly create more opportunities for his supporters, but at least they won’t be in debt.

Where does that leave things?
  1. The social conservative Republicans are not dead, but they are losing. At least their guy (Cruz) is still in the race and doing alright. They just are a fairly distant second to the frustrated white lower middle class.
  2. The business Republicans are in deep doo-doo. Their candidates did NOTHING this run. They are stuck with Governor Kasich as the last man standing and he has won only one state. Furthermore, they don’t believe what the social conservatives do and don’t care about their issues. They are usually supporters of the opposite of what a Trump supporter might want and honestly, Hillary Clinton is more in line with their beliefs than Trump. It is very possible that they may begin to switch heavily to Democrats (and they already are, see Paypal and North Carolina).
  3. If someone can get the Sanders supporters and Trump supporters on the same page, then they can be the next President because these people have much more in common than they disagree on. That said, neither party establishment wants them and there is a natural distrust between some key Democratic supporters (middle class/lower middle class African Americans) and the Trump supporters.
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Bolded is excellent. I have come to realize this. I am so amazed when I look at photos of Trump rallies, supporters. They are so normal. Middle class, lower class, frustrated. Everyday folk - New York Islanders supporters. 😉 Duck Dynasty fans.

One more key point - I think a lot of the frustration is cultural, not economic, though there is an economic component. Most of these folks are doing ok economically, just not advancing. Holding steady. Unemployment is low, oil prices too. They feel more marginalized by the cultural shifts, away from national heritage, identity, tradition, Christian culture. I agree with them. I am fine with diversity but that does not mean that we disown our own culture or religion. (which is what we are doing pretty aggressively right now) The tragedy is that Trump is a dead end in terms of fixing this issue. In my calmer moments, I find it quite sad. Especially for these very people.
 
Well folks I went to a recent Donald Trump Rally with my Islamic Christian Chivalry T shirt.

There were a few rude and obnoxious Trump supporters I saw…a few Trump supporters were asked by a reporter “what do you think about Mexicans and Muslims”…the trump supporters were saying things like " ah well maybe Muslims are the worst but those Mexicans are pretty bad. I knew of course that what these rude Trump supporters were saying was a disgrace to values of the founding fathers of my country…the founding fathers were men who stood up for religious liberty for all Christians but also for non Christian religions like Judaism , Islam, and Hinduism.

At the same time I did talk with some trump supporters and I made positive strides with some of these folks. Some of the Trump supporters noticed the picture of Saladin and Godfrey of Bouillon on my shirt and they loved it, they loved Saladin.
 
vouthon said:
the pantomime begins…what mask will he wear next?
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As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman’s right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. Although Giuliani is personally opposed to abortion, his personal views will not interfere with his responsibilities as mayor.[48]
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At least Giuliani is a competent tested politician/government official - as is Kasich come to think of it… 😉

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Lily_Bernans said:
I think the doctors making millions from abortions are more abortion minded than Hillary Clinton. And the nurses and others who work with them. Hillary is pro-choice, but she’s not making any money off that stance.
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According to information out there, Hillary has had abortions herself, and only had Chelsea to further her career. If this is the case, then in order to condone her actions, she would very much support planned parenthood. Also keep in mind the amount of money that planned parenthood has contributed to Obama’s campaigns, and who knows how many before him. I’m sure Hillary has received the same monetary donations, as the government in power continues to fund them with obscene amounts. What I don’t understand, is why the need for support from the tax payers, when they charge for their services to individuals as well as find ways to make money from the remains of their victims. What a despicable organization!!!
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I believe the Democratic candidates, either of them, will do more good for the country than any of the Republicans, and the good that they do will translate into more women deciding to keep their children because life is better.
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So it’s perfectly fine to support the party whose platform explicitly includes unrestricted abortion on demand because of what they might do in the future, but the party whose platform explicitly opposes abortion on demand is never to be supported because of what they might do in the future?

Please explain to us again how the party explicitly supporting abortion is more pro-life than the party explicitly opposing it.
 
Monkey1976 said:
So it’s perfectly fine to support the party whose platform explicitly includes unrestricted abortion on demand because of what they might do in the future, but the party whose platform explicitly opposes abortion on demand is never to be supported because of what they might do in the future?

Please explain to us again how the party explicitly supporting abortion is more pro-life than the party explicitly opposing it.
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Let’s see if this works both ways- people for gun control should vote for Republicans because Republicans will pass laws that will take more criminals off the streets and therefore there will be less of a need to own a gun.
 
Transgender people should be able to use whatever bathroom they want, Trump said Thursday.
“Leave it the way it is. North Carolina, what they’re going through with all the business that’s leaving, all of the strife – and this is on both sides. Leave it the way it is,” he said, referring to companies that have canceled plans to move or expand businesses in the state as a result of the law, which bans transgender individuals from using a bathroom that does not match their gender at birth.
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“There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go. They use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate,” Trump said. “There has been so little trouble. And the problem with what happened in North Carolina is the strife and the economic – I mean, the economic punishment that they’re taking.”
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Matt Lauer then asked whether Trump has any transgender people working for his company.
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“I really don’t know. I probably do. I really don’t know,” Trump said, answering that he would allow, say, transgender celebrity Caitlyn Jenner to use whatever bathroom she wanted at Trump Tower.
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When Donald Trump is the voice of reason on transgender issues, you know you have derailed.

(Countdown to Trump backpedaling from this momentary lapse of decency in 3…2…)
 
Siegehammer said:
Transgender people should be able to use whatever bathroom they want, Trump said Thursday.

When Donald Trump is the voice of reason on transgender issues, you know you have derailed.

(Countdown to Trump backpedaling from this momentary lapse of decency in 3…2…)
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You’re not holding your breath are you…?
 
FollowChrist34 said:
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Yes, a bit optimistic. I guess we can hope.
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In Pennsylvania, according to NBC, even if Cruz comes in “a distant third”, a “top aide” in Cruz’ campaign said they think Cruz could get “more than 30” delegates there: realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/19/nbc_reporter_cruz_to_win_half_of_pennsylvanias_delegates_even_if_he_comes_in_distant_third.html

The Northeastern states I don’t think are are going to bring any wins for Cruz. Trump may sweep all this states. But after that…
 
Lily_Bernans said:
About 60/40, he wins all the delegates. Kasich is a distant second, Cruz bringing up the rear. Trump should be the GOP nominee.
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New York is a closed-primary state, so none of the 150,000 or so registered members of the Conservative Party of New York State were able to vote in the Republican primary… for either Trump *or *Cruz. Had Conservative Party voters been allowed to vote in the Republican Primary, Trump would still have won – but I’m willing to bet that Cruz (not Kasich) would have been the second-place finisher.

For someone who claims he isn’t being treated fairly… Trump got just under 525,000 votes in “yuge” New York (his home state) and for that he picks up 90-something delegates. Meanwhile, Cruz got just over 531,000 votes in “not-so-yuge” Wisconsin (not his home state) and for that he only picks up 36 delegates? Even Kasich picked up 155,200 votes (but no delegates) in Wisconsin. More total votes were cast in Wisconsin’s Republican primary than in New York’s (1,072,699 to 868,987), but Trump should be the GOP nominee? He’s got a long way to go before the Republican party unites behind him.

Also, Trump thinks he’s the only one who can beat Hillary… yet 1,054,083 New Yorkers (that’s more than the number who voted for all Republican candidates combined) voted for Hillary in the Democrat primary – and that doesn’t even take into account the 763,469 New Yorkers who voted for Sanders. If Trump wants to be the GOP standard-bearer, he needs to be putting together a winning coalition… something he (so far) hasn’t demonstrated he’s capable of doing.
 
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