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Senate Democrats ask Cruz to investigate Trump, potential Russian interference in election

In a letter released today, Senate Judiciary Committee members Chris Coons of Delaware and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island blasted Trump’s statements as “dangerous and irresponsible.” They want Cruz, a Trump rival and chairman of a Senate Judiciary subcommittee, to hold a hearing to determine whether Trump’s request for “foreign entities to conduct cyberattacks on political opponents” broke existing laws.
“Mr. Trump’s encouragement of a Russian cyber incursion of a U.S. presidential candidate represents an unprecedented call for a foreign government to spy on a U.S. citizen and interfere with a U.S. election,” they wrote.
Trump’s comments, they said, potentially threaten the country’s interests and violate a host of laws, including the Logan and Espionage Act. What’s more, “Mr. Trump has invited foreign interference with the presidential election, which we believe should be carefully guarded against under U.S. law.”

dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20160803-senate-democrats-ask-cruz-to-investigate-trump-potential-russian-interference-in-election.ece
Please see this interview with Stephen Cohen:
youtube.com/watch?v=mCMyHJJrdDw
 
This part of Trump’s “healthcare reform” policy, directly from his official campaign web site, raises some red flags for me:

“To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children’s Health Insurance Program” [emphasis added]
donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

He wants to reduce healthcare options for children? How is that consistent with being “pro-life”? And, unlike Hillary’s plan, Trump’s policies could very well exclude immigrant unborn babies from access to adequate healthcare. All unborn lives matter.
He clearly says he want’s to reduce demand for the programs, not supply.
It’s not nice to misrepresent what people say.
 
I’m curious. Where in the U.S. Constitution does it state that the founding fathers created a theocracy and not a democracy? A democracy was instituted to govern all people regardless of race, color, creed, religion or gender. There are many instead who want to create a theocracy imposing their religious viewpoints on the rest of society. Pro Life using slick slogans and easy solution without explaining any of the ramifications

The hyprocrisy is apparent when the same religious denominations which the Christian research group LifeWay at the behest of pro-life group Care Net, paints a very different picture of those seeking abortions than you might imagine. The study interviewed 1,038 women who had received an abortion. Surprisingly,** a full 70 percent of these women were Christian.**.
reverbpress.com/religion/abortion-rates-highest-among-christians-according-stunning-survey-results/

What did Jesus say about judging others? People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Clean up your own house before trying to impose moral standards on those that don’t accept your belief system.

Oh, by the way, the GOP promotes a culture of death. How can i say that? Very simply, 35% of all teenage pregnancies end in abortion. Many more if you impose your view on outlawing contraceptives!

Who is going to pay for the prenatal care for the mother? Who is going to pay for complications arising from pregnancy? Who is going to pay for the medical malpractice insurance? Who is going to pay for the hospital costs? Who is going to pay for daycare? Who is going to pay for feeding, clothing and housing of the child? Who is going to pay for medical, dental, vision of the child? Who is going to pay for the utilties? Who is going to pay if the child has down syndrome or is autistic? Are you?

The GOP wants to end entitlement programs for the poor, the elderly and the disabled. Many cry out about the govt. paying for such services by taxing them. They don’t want any of thier wealth to be redistributed to groups mentioned above. They want to cut Medicaid and Medicare programs, cut food stamps where the majority of recipients are children and the elderly, they want to get rid of universal healthcare, cut section 8 housing costs.

Hyprocrisy and you just can’t make this stuff up. For an example, the Alabama Republicans are escalating their war against the poor on receiving food stamps or financial support if they own cars.They can have cars if they are employed. However in some counties in Alabama, the unemployment rate is 40%. The Anti-Gay Alabama GOP governor Robert Bentley who touted his Christian faith and conservative “family values” engaged in an extramarital affair with his former communications director Rebekah Mason Christian mother of 3 using taxpayer’s expense to fund their indiscretions. Her Christian husband at the time was the director Director the Governor’s Office of Faith-based and Volunteer Service. In the mean time, he removed salary caps on his advisers while cutting Medicaid, SNAP, and teacher salaries in his state.

Why is this important? Because the GOP plans on slashing funding to Social Security, Medicaid, Food Assistance and Pell Grants. Their strategy is to call welfare recipients too lazy to work. To arouse their base against those on food stamps, make claims that people are buying lobster and champagne at check out stands. GOP passed a bill slashing $100M from food stamps while boosting farm subsidies and boosting money for crop insurance. 45 percent of food stamp benefits went to children under 18, totaling about 20 million youngsters. Nine percent of recipients were age 60 or older, and nearly 10 percent were disabled adults who were under 60.

Why is this important? If you outlaw abortion, the children will starve to death, die for lack of medical care or freeze to death for lack of clothing, heating, and housing.

Of all developed countries in the world, data on the well-being of children in 35 developed nations the United States is 34 out of 35 only Romania is the worst. The bottom 90% in the U.S. hold 73% of all debt. 1979 and 2007 incomes of the top 1% of Americans grew by an average of 275%.The richest 1 percent in the United States now own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent.

My position is you cannot legislate your version of morality on immoral society under a democracy. Prohibition didn’t work in America. It only gave rise to organized crime. So where are the plans that will address all these issues if abortion is banned? Enough with the slogans. Will not God hold the individual women responsible? Mercy triumphs judgement James 2:13.

If a fetus is considered life, why are they not baptized and given a Christian burial by the church?

In the Christian Bible, Jesus stated: when you give a dinner or a supper, do not ask your friends, your brothers, your relatives, nor rich neighbors, lest they also invite you back, and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you; for you shall be repaid at the resurrection of the just. Luke 14:12-14
Goodness!

In other words, if there’s not an acceptable plan to take care of the mothers and children, it’s okay to just kill the children. There’s no end to that rationale. Lots of “inconvenient” people around.
 
It’s hard for me not to conclude that he got to where he is today by adopting the pugilistic style of the World Wrestling Federation (where he used to perform) and belittling a lot of people, mocking their appearances or gender or abilities. But that that’s not working as well in the general election where you want to expand your base of support, as it did in the primaries.
Agree. But I think it is important for the country that the GOP more or less drive this thing - get an active group of people behind the scenes with Trump as kind of a front puppet (Gingrich, Christie, Pence, Ryan, etc.). I would much rather have that than Clinton. I still think that will happen. I don’t believe Clinton is really that much better on her own - up against Trump. Apples and oranges. But every time the kinder, gentler, articulate Trump makes an appearance, he just degenerates back into the WWF model a week or two later…
 
Not at all surprised.

Trump could make a feckless, mild-mannered, backstage government bureaucrat look like a charismatic leader oozing with dependability in comparison to him.

When set against his grating and idiotic machismo, anyone - literally anyone - would look like liquid gold in comparison.
Obama has been such a dismal failure that the people will turn to Trump for relief from 8 years of disappointment. His approval rating is up currently only because people are so disappointed in the alternatives he looks good to them now.
 
With this focus, how do you see Trump as “more legitimately interested in helping our country”? Hillary has been in public service. Trump has not. Hillary has been in positions of power in government. Trump has not. Whatever you think of Hillary’s actual performance in these positions, Trump’s performance can only be inferred from his actions in the private sector. They are not exactly comparable positions, but I just wonder how you came to your comparative conclusion without any actual data on Trump? Is there any indication in his past life that leads you to believe he is more “public service minded”?
I possibly don’t see how actively supporting abortion on demand up until the moment of birth a great “success” as far as public service.
 
Agree. But I think it is important for the country that the GOP more or less drive this thing - get an active group of people behind the scenes with Trump as kind of a front puppet (Gingrich, Christie, Pence, Ryan, etc.).
Based on his behavior during the campaign and from people who know and work with him, Trump very rarely takes advice from anyone. Its just a characteristic of his personality, he’s always confident he knows best.
 
Based on his behavior during the campaign and from people who know and work with him, Trump very rarely takes advice from anyone. Its just a characteristic of his personality, he’s always confident he knows best.
So essentially the Anti-Reagan…
Surround yourself with the best people you can find, delegate authority, and don’t interfere as long as the policy you’ve decided upon is being carried out. - Ronald Reagan
 
Donald Trump’s explanation on Tuesday at a rally in Loudoun County, Va. for why he’s behind in the polls:

“I think these polls — I don’t know — there’s something about these polls, there’s something phony.” :rolleyes:
 
Donald Trump’s explanation on Tuesday at a rally in Loudoun County, Va. for why he’s behind in the polls:

“I think these polls — I don’t know — there’s something about these polls, there’s something phony.” :rolleyes:
I think he’s wrong on that.
 
I think he’s wrong on that.
I wouldn’t necessarily say they are phony but the press is definitely slanted to the liberal left. I don’t know if that clouds what polls they use but it’s certainly something to consider.
 
I wouldn’t necessarily say they are phony but the press is definitely slanted to the liberal left. I don’t know if that clouds what polls they use but it’s certainly something to consider.
Fox News is slanted to the liberal left? :confused:
 
I think he’s wrong on that.
👍 He says that about pretty much everybody who disagrees with him. Their "rigged or corrupt or losers " or whatever else pops out that hole under his nose.

I think he’s a :crying:baby…and I don’t trust him at all.

Here’s a poll service I do trust.

Majority of Americans disapprove of Trump’s response to Khan family

DNC hack: public perceive pro-Clinton bias, but reject Trump response

Most Americans reject Trump’s e-mail call


Weekly Presidential Election Tracking Report August 1 2016
 
I wouldn’t necessarily say they are phony but the press is definitely slanted to the liberal left. I don’t know if that clouds what polls they use but it’s certainly something to consider.
Oh yes, your argument is a typical one. But historically it has failed.

Remember the Unskewed Polls in 2012? Many people on the right celebrated them and thought they gave the right predictions. And they were up for a rude awakening when Romney lost by 5 points, a number much closer to what the maligned “lame stream media” polls predicted with their allegedly “skewed” polls.

Nothing beats living in an alternate universe.
 
Oh yes, your argument is a typical one. But historically it has failed.

Remember the Unskewed Polls in 2012? Many people on the right celebrated them and thought they gave the right predictions. And they were up for a rude awakening when Romney lost by 5 points, a number much closer to what the maligned “lame stream media” polls predicted.

Nothing beats living in an alternative universe.
This is nothing but a gratuitous ad hominem remark. Who do you think it reflects more poorly on? You or Mary?
 
Oh yes, your argument is a typical one. But historically it has failed.

Remember the Unskewed Polls in 2012? Many people on the right celebrated them and thought they gave the right predictions. And they were up for a rude awakening when Romney lost by 5 points, a number much closer to what the maligned “lame stream media” polls predicted with their allegedly “skewed” polls.

Nothing beats living in an alternate universe.
The Romney campaign apparently had the wrong numbers and Romney was suprised he lost; slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/why_romney_was_surprised_to_lose_his_campaign_had_the_wrong_numbers_bad.html

Gallup, a highly respected pollster, had Romney slightly in the lead in 2012: theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/23/gallup-2012-election-polling-debacle

In this election cycle. pundit after pundit predicted Trump would demise, and they turned out to be wrong or underestimated Trump. I think Nate Silver gave Trump a tiny single digit chance of winning the primary at one point,

It’s also a fact that during the primaries, check out the Real Clear Politics average for various states and compare them to the margin Trump actually won and you’ll see that he did better than the Real Clear Politics average in various states. This article discusses this: cbsnews.com/news/commentary-are-polls-underestimating-trumps-support/

Why couldn’t the same thing be happening with the General?
 
Agree. But I think it is important for the country that the GOP more or less drive this thing - get an active group of people behind the scenes with Trump as kind of a front puppet (Gingrich, Christie, Pence, Ryan, etc.). I would much rather have that than Clinton. I still think that will happen. I don’t believe Clinton is really that much better on her own - up against Trump. Apples and oranges. But every time the kinder, gentler, articulate Trump makes an appearance, he just degenerates back into the WWF model a week or two later…
I don’t want Clinton either, heartily, but I also think Trump has shown he’s not a tameable force; if he were, he would have controlled his response to provocations by now. He bends to no will but his own.
 
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