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Jeanne_S said:
I am beginning to wonder if Trump even really wants the presidency. I have begrudgingly supported Trump since he prevailed because even on his worst day he is better than Hillary ,however he is a loose cannon for sure:eek:
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The idea that Trump doesn’t really want to be President was floated at the beginning of the primary season. It was even suggested he was a shill to get Hillary elected. I didn’t buy it then, thinking the idea preposterous, but now I’m not sure.
 
meltzerboy said:
The idea that Trump doesn’t really want to be President was floated at the beginning of the primary season. It was even suggested he was a shill to get Hillary elected. I didn’t buy it then, thinking the idea preposterous, but now I’m not sure.
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Sigh…I just don’t know what to think
 
Jeanne_S said:
I am beginning to wonder if Trump even really wants the presidency. I have begrudgingly supported Trump since he prevailed because even on his worst day he is better than Hillary ,however he is a loose cannon for sure:eek:
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Yes, I’m exactly like you. I go back and forth on that. I think he does want it, but he’s making a ton of rookie mistakes, and he should know better.
Mike Pence is a plus, and I’m praying Trumps advisors, and campaign manager, can lasso him back into line and he will go after all of Hillary’s negatives instead of all these side fights. I don’t want Hillary to get the Presidency and so I have like you begrudgingly supported Trump.
 
meltzerboy said:
The idea that Trump doesn’t really want to be President was floated at the beginning of the primary season. It was even suggested he was a shill to get Hillary elected. I didn’t buy it then, thinking the idea preposterous, but now I’m not sure.
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On one episode of “Morning Joe”, wwhen they pondered the same question, Donnie Deutsch who is friendly with Trump told the roundtable that after the Iowa primary Trump told him over the phone, “Can you believe this?, Can you believe this?”, because he really hadn’t expected that people would like him that much. Then Deutsch asked him “Do you really want to be president?”, and Trump deflected towards other topics.

I think that originally Trump wanted to run just for fun and to stir up the pot, and then got caught up in the wave. If he really wants to govern is very much an open question. If he wanted to, he could have pivoted to the general election after winning the primary but he is still running as if for a primary audience – very strange.
 
estesbob said:
Again you set up a straw man No one is suggesting that there not be a aid for those In need You have come up your own definition of pro life that’s just happens to coincide with your political views Worse yet you seem to be suggesting that abortion is OK until society fully embrace a far left wing social agenda./QUOTE
You put words into my mouth - you draw false conclusions - typical of theological double-talk.- I am Pro-Life in all its fulness. I am against abortion but recognise I cannot impose my views on others. My own grand-daughter is an example of a pro-life birth, her biological father having run off long before she was born. BUT and its a big BUT Pro-Life does not end after birth. Read the Gospels Read what Jesus teaches us. I am tired of folk lifting the odd quote here and there out of context. The whole thrust of Jesus ministry is sharing our lives with others. The Kingdom of God is a place men and women share with their neighbours. That is the true nature of the miracle of the loaves and fishes not a cheap bit of magic. Jesus SAYS as his mother said in her great hymn to God “The Magnificat” the Kingdom of God cannot be entered if you are wealthly and do not share that wealth with the poor. Now you can argue with me but not with the words Jesus spoke. I am Pro-Life, Pro-Gospel and Pro-Messianic.
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LeafByNiggle said:
People who choose to go into politics are generally sacrificing a more lucrative career in business or law. They do it mostly out of a desire to serve the public. People who go into business generally are not sacrificing anything, and are doing what they are doing to enrich themselves. There are exceptions to both of these rules - corrupt politicians and philanthropic businessmen. But on the whole there is far more corruption outside of Washington than inside of it. And Trump is the epitome of corruption.
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So, being a businessman or woman is offensive IF the business is successful in making money, providing jobs, etc. Politicians by and large are all lawyers to start with. Please check out the financial status of all the DC politicians. Every last one of them becomes a millionaire once they get to Washington and start making deals to line their own pockets out of OUR money. They don’t make anything but loophole laws for themselves, opt out of the horrible medical insurance they want to cram down our throats, opt out of the social security system we are all tied to, vote themselves wonderful retirement packages for the rest of their lives, even if they only serve for one term. You are ignoring the facts. The days of “Mr Smith goes to Washington” are long over. Originally politicians did their public service, then returned to the private sector and lived by the same standards as everyone else. There is no way that you can honestly believe that this is still true today.
 
The situation in which Trump finds himself reminds me of the quote that begins " First they came for the Jews. . ." Trump is the same person now as he was at the beginning of the campaign with his rapist Mexicans and terrorist Muslim immigrants. Trump is just being Trump. He has zero respect for anyone other than himself and his family. He has no relationship with the truth, or it would seem, reality.

In the past, he let us see his disdain for those against whom a certain segment of the population is prejudiced. Now we’re seeing the full of his character, if we couldn’t already deduce it from his cheating small business people and the scam of Trump University and his insults of POWs.

What’s really amazing is that so many people ever bought his snake oil.
 
Book_Worm said:
He has zero respect for anyone other than himself and his family. He has no relationship with the truth, or it would seem, reality.

In the past, he let us see his disdain for those against whom a certain segment of the population is prejudiced. Now we’re seeing the full of his character, if we couldn’t already deduce it from his cheating small business people and the scam of Trump University and his insults of POWs.

What’s really amazing is that so many people ever bought his snake oil.
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Quite right. Both major party candidates have no respect for the American people. None. Hillary manages to hide it a bit better and understands that outward contempt for the public is a bad thing. Trump doesn’t.

Does that make Hillary better? No. Definitely not.

In short, we have no good or even acceptable options. And we, as a nation, deserve that.
 
Trump appears to be in full meltdown. He needs to duck and cover and hope the Olympics dominate headlines for a week or two. That will give him time to reset and try to actually run for President. There is time to do that, especially given Hillary’s extraordinary negatives. But if he does not make a major correction, he is on a path to a historic disaster.
 
The_Bucket said:
Quite right. Both major party candidates have no respect for the American people. None. Hillary manages to hide it a bit better and understands that outward contempt for the public is a bad thing. Trump doesn’t.

Does that make Hillary better? No. Definitely not.

In short, we have no good or even acceptable options. And we, as a nation, deserve that.
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I agree with all you’ve said till your last sentence. 😦

Is it wrong to pray for a serious illness for both of them before November?
 
TMC said:
Trump appears to be in full meltdown. He needs to duck and cover and hope the Olympics dominate headlines for a week or two. That will give him time to reset and try to actually run for President. There is time to do that, especially given Hillary’s extraordinary negatives. But if he does not make a major correction, he is on a path to a historic disaster.
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Yes trump is in full meltdown. For the hundredth time in this election. Still following the same mindset concerning trump? You will continue to be dismayed. He’s nothing if not a fighter. Just like with anything else in life that’s worthwhile, the election will be a long and gruesome fight and trump the fighter will win. Don’t say nobody told you.
 
I’m honestly sad that people in my family continue to support Trump. 😦
 
queenofheartscv said:
Yes trump is in full meltdown. For the hundredth time in this election. Still following the same mindset concerning trump? You will continue to be dismayed. He’s nothing if not a fighter. Just like with anything else in life that’s worthwhile, the election will be a long and gruesome fight and trump the fighter will win. Don’t say nobody told you.
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According to the discussion on Morning Joe, they are looking for a way to get him out of the race before he takes down the entire party. No kidding. It appears the RNC is looking into this. It’s too early to post the clip, but I’m sure it will be available later.
 
Good_Tidings said:
According to the discussion on Morning Joe, they are looking for a way to get him out of the race before he takes down the entire party. No kidding. It appears the RNC is looking into this. It’s too early to post the clip, but I’m sure it will be available later.
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I read that somewhere already. Pure gossip, if you ask me. Or somebody is daydreaming And praying trump will drop out. Not gonna happen. The man spent 50 million dollars of his own money in the primary. He’s not a quitter.
 
Peccavi said:
estesbob;14084103:
Again you set up a straw man No one is suggesting that there not be a aid for those In need You have come up your own definition of pro life that’s just happens to coincide with your political views Worse yet you seem to be suggesting that abortion is OK until society fully embrace a far left wing social agenda.
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Peccavi, most pro life groups I know of do not abandon the woman after she chooses Life. CPCs provide free baby supplies, parenting classes, etc. The local right to life group here has a mother’s help fund - monetary support for rent, groceries, car repairs… anything she needs help with. There is even a free diaper outreach for those in need for children until they are two…for single moms or those just struggling.

For those escaping domestic violence or forced abortion, there is a home for women and children that I support, run by the local Catholic Social services.
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