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jtauke said:
There’s clearly no reasoning with you Gary.

Enjoy your pro-death candidate.
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Your speaking for who here, another and again? Didn’t you already make this mistake today? Yes I believe so, So what gives now?
 
GaryTaylor said:
Are you seriously naive to think there’s no collateral damage already. Obama just blew up a civilian hospital. :rolleyes: Don’t let the no troops designed to keep the public quiet fool you. Its doesn’t fool anyone who knows better. They are intentionally among the innocent. And always as its a tactical position.
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THAT DOESN’T MAKE IT OK.

It’s wrong when the current administration does it, it’ll be wrong if Trump does it. It’ll be wrong if ANYONE does it.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Your speaking for who here, another and again? Didn’t you already make this mistake today? Yes I believe so, So what gives now?
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That made zero grammatical sense. How can I respond to something written in such broken English?

You wanna try again? I’ll wait, don’t worry.
 
Tomdstone said:
I think that there is something ethically wrong with drone strikes where some guy is sitting 10,000 miles away behind a computer screen, targetting people to kill.
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Thank you. I can definitely see the Rand Paul supporter in that statement. He was my favorite as well. Shame he didn’t get more traction.
 
jtauke said:
THAT DOESN’T MAKE IT OK.

It’s wrong when the current administration does it, it’ll be wrong if Trump does it. It’ll be wrong if ANYONE does it.
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What you are advocating here is that we do not fight the war. Let the enemy kill our military and civilians. Let us be the meek little lambs. I’m sorry you may be inspired to do that in a street attack but it’s wrong to expect our government to not take actions. That’s why we have military schools to train the best and brightest so we can trust them to make the best decisions. Are they always right? Of course not, but they have to be trust to do their job.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
And added to that, what about strip clubs Trump has had ?

Are those part of Christian values ?

Jim
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I’m not sure we can base much on that. My understanding is he had a very minority interest in the club at the time of the decision to incorporate the strip club, and therefore couldn’t control what went on there.
 
Tomdstone said:
Thanks. I also apologize to you if I sounded harsh.
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Oh, you sounded fine. 🙂 It’s sometimes hard to convey emotion on the Internet, and I wanted you to know I wasn’t trying to tell you what to do. You’re always polite, and I greatly appreciate that.
 
abcnews.go.com/Politics/63-million-counting-anti-trump-ads-airwaves/story?id=37752543

Broadcast advertising dollars aimed at toppling GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump has soared 900 percent since his first primary victory in New Hampshire - a total of more than $63 million – according to an ABC News analysis of CMAG/Kantar Media data.

**The total haul aimed at blocking the real estate mogul is now three times as much as what Trump has spent on his whole campaign **and twice as much as the behemoth super PAC Right to Rise spent during its tenure supporting Jeb Bush.
How is that for competency? Finally the republicans have someone who knows how to win!
 
Tomdstone said:
There is no doubt that waterboarding is a form of torture. Try it.
“French Journalist Henri Alleg Describes His Torture Being Waterboarded by French Forces During Algerian War”. Democracy Now! As one former CIA official, once a senior official for the directorate of operations, told me: ‘Of course it was torture. Try it and you’ll see.’ Another, also a former higher-up in the directorate of operations, told me: ‘Yes, it’s torture…’. 5 November 2007.
McCain, John (21 November 2005). “Torture’s Terrible Toll”. Newsweek. Retrieved 17 April 2009. In my view, to make someone believe that you are killing him by drowning is no different than holding a pistol to his head and firing a blank. I believe that it is torture, very exquisite torture.
hrw.org/news/2006/04/05/open-letter-attorney-general-alberto-gonzales
jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2007/10/endgame-on-torture-time-to-call-bluff.php
ondemand.bl.uk/onDemand/itemDetails/show/ETOCRN208094762
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And yet lots of servicemen (and presumably women) undergo it voluntarily. Some who are merely curious have done so.

Surely, in making decisions about the morality of certain things, we aren’t reduced to anecdotal stories and subjective judgments.

The whole “torture” debate has a serious problem; one that I have never seen resolved with any degree of agreement on CAF. And that is, what is the “bright line” test to determine what is torture versus that which might be subjectively experienced as unpleasant or even degrading?

Further, since the Church allows certain acts to be performed by the authority of the State that are not allowable to individuals, (like imposing the death penalty or even imprisonment; certainly war) how do we fashion a principle by which we may judge what is, and what is not, “torture” and therefore condemned by the Church in the absence of the Church stating a test herself?
 
queenofheartscv said:
Catholics should refuse to engage in this kind of conversation with you because you are enamored by Obama who supports abortion and gay marriage.

I know this time I’m talking to the right poster.
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So, I’m not a good enough Catholic for others to have a discussion with, is that what you’re trying to say ?

Jim
 
Ridgerunner said:
I’m not sure we can base much on that. My understanding is he had a very minority interest in the club at the time of the decision to incorporate the strip club, and therefore couldn’t control what went on there.
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It was his property he had control over the type of businesses went into it.

Jim
 
Ridgerunner said:
And yet lots of servicemen (and presumably women) undergo it voluntarily. Some who are merely curious have done so.

Surely, in making decisions about the morality of certain things, we aren’t reduced to anecdotal stories and subjective judgments.

The whole “torture” debate has a serious problem; one that I have never seen resolved with any degree of agreement on CAF. And that is, what is the “bright line” test to determine what is torture versus that which might be subjectively experienced as unpleasant or even degrading?

Further, since the Church allows certain acts to be performed by the authority of the State that are not allowable to individuals, (like imposing the death penalty or even imprisonment; certainly war) how do we fashion a principle by which we may judge what is, and what is not, “torture” and therefore condemned by the Church in the absence of the Church stating a test herself?
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Why not try it yourself and let us know?
 
JimR-OCDS said:
So, I’m not a good enough Catholic for others to have a discussion with, is that what you’re trying to say ?

Jim
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No. I’m saying if a catholic supports abortion and gay marriage, he has no right to accuse other catholics of being not good enough.
 
Tomdstone said:
I think that there is something ethically wrong with drone strikes where some guy is sitting 10,000 miles away behind a computer screen, targetting people to kill.
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How is that different from a guy in a jet at 30,000 feet targeting people to kill, or a guy 10 miles away on the ground aiming at people he can’t see but who got coordinates from a “spotter” or even a satellite image?

Is it the total lack of danger presented to the computer operator? If so, it seems that’s more an issue of what we perceive as “sporting” rather than one of morality.
 
BTW, do a search on Trump’s wife. Melania Trump, and see the racy photos of the potential 1st Lady. :rolleyes:

Jim
 
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