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God help us if Trump manages to get elected. I’ve seen some of his rallies. They are disgusting and terrifying. He incites violence (whether or not he does so intentionally is up for debate, but none can deny that his rallies are not the safest place to be) and his supporters appear to be mostly low-income, under-educated white men (not all of them; I know some of his supporters don’t meet that criteria).

I think his election would be a massive step backwards for the country and will deal the finishing blow to a Republican Party that is already crumbling thanks to his surge in support.
It’s the followers of Trump I find scary, not Trump himself. If Trump does win the presidency, they will feel empowered. An empowered right-wing bureaucracy is what I fear. Only because it starts with empowerment, and grows into tyranny. We’ve seen that to some degree with Bush and Obama. But this is like a complete leap into the dark side.
 
It’s the followers of Trump I find scary, not Trump himself. If Trump does win the presidency, they will feel empowered. An empowered right-wing bureaucracy is what I fear. Only because it starts with empowerment, and grows into tyranny. We’ve seen that to some degree with Bush and Obama. But this is like a complete leap into the dark side.
You find normal americans scary. What do you think we might do?
 
You find normal americans scary. Maybe you are over-educated. What do you think we might do?
You really need to follow forum posting rules and not get personal.
I never addressed anything about the education of Trump supporters, Finite did.
As to what is scary, I find bureaucrats scary because that is the heart of tyranny.
 
You really need to follow forum posting rules and not get personal.
I never addressed anything about the education of Trump supporters, Finite did.
As to what is scary, I find bureaucrats scary because that is the heart of tyranny.
I do want to take that back, but since so many complain trump supporters are poorly educated, maybe you’d find that a positive comment.

And how do you associate trump supporters with bureaucrats? We don’t have any of those now? Aren’t the bureaucrats the ones opposing trump from all sides?
 
Are you a thread disrupter? If not, that was quite the condescending post.

Need I remind you that Christ was born in a cave, laid in a trough and worshipped by non-educated sheepherders who were told where they could find Him by angels sent from God. Both Christ and the shepherds were low income. All were white, though that is insignificant.

Money, social status or race won’t get you character much less holiness. As a lifetime blue collar, high school educated white male who has worked and associated with all, I can testify to snobbery, hate etc. from people of all social, educational, racial, religious and financial backgrounds.

Brother/sister, you may need to examine yourself.

Mike 😉
Mike,

Thank you for pointing that out.

I have spent a lifetime (more time than I want to admit) dealing with community & state leaders. But one thing common among all of us is that we hold in high esteem those that think like we do. Sadly, if you think different? Get ready for the insults! Worse, I hope you don’t encounter the nuts that want to inflict physical harm simply because you are of a different mindset.

The beauty about the Internet is that you (speaking in general to everyone) would most likely never address someone in that same manner if it were in person. In many of the Parish Halls that I have seen, most people have quiet conversations among their small circle of family.

The downside of conversing with those on the Internet is the anonymity. There is no hesitation to speak your mind. Although I find that I encounter some good insight from some people with good & humbled wisdom, I also encounter the fools…

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I find many candidates scary. For example, I think everyone should be scared of Hillary.
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Hilary, Obama, Trump, Cruz, and the rest are figureheads. They are not the real power in this country. If they were, they would not fall into line as soon as they are elected. Marching in goose-step to the Washington establishment. The banks, the corporations, the military. Abortion is the biggest, most glaring example of one-party rule. The elite wants it to continue. Which is why I dismiss the empty promises of so-called ‘pro-life’ candidates.
It’s a show.
A big reality show.
 
And how do you associate trump supporters with bureaucrats? We don’t have any of those now? Aren’t the bureaucrats the ones opposing trump from all sides?
No.
If that were true, Trump would not have gotten as far as he has. Trump represents a massive shift in this country into the uncharted waters of tyranny. Once that bureaucracy is empowered, it is very hard to get rid of.
 
God help us if Trump manages to get elected. I’ve seen some of his rallies. They are disgusting and terrifying. He incites violence (whether or not he does so intentionally is up for debate, but none can deny that his rallies are not the safest place to be) and his supporters appear to be mostly low-income, under-educated white men (not all of them; I know some of his supporters don’t meet that criteria).

I think his election would be a massive step backwards for the country and will deal the finishing blow to a Republican Party that is already crumbling thanks to his surge in support.
I agree completely. I just returned from a community foundation luncheon and sat with a couple of bright women friends, both of them conservative, one of them a CEO of a large employer in the area, the other a director of an arts organization of which I am on the board. We all agreed that this Trump thing is like living in a nightmare.

They were particularly upset over Sen. Jeff Sessions, who lives in this city, whom we’ve all spoken with and have found to be a genuinely humble, approachable man, known for his love of God, his longtime marriage to his wife Mary, and his (heretofore) principled conservatism. We all think he has gone around the bend with his support of Trump, who is the utter antithesis of everything Jeff has championed. We agree that it is likely the immigration issue that let Trump get his hooks into Sen. Sessions, as he has been laser focused on that for a while. So sad that Jeff has joined the “dark side.”
 
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Hilary, Obama, Trump, Cruz, and the rest are figureheads. They are not the real power in this country. If they were, they would not fall into line as soon as they are elected. Marching in goose-step to the Washington establishment. The banks, the corporations, the military. Abortion is the biggest, most glaring example of one-party rule. The elite wants it to continue. Which is why I dismiss the empty promises of so-called ‘pro-life’ candidates.
It’s a show.
A big reality show.
If you throw in corporate liberal media, education elites, Hollywood to the above list, I will agree 100% with this comment. It amazes me how many people routinely think a candidate of one party or the other will ‘change’ things. Yes one can shift things (assuming we put up someone who can get enough votes to win) but not fundamentally change things. The powers that be will never go for that, both parties, capitalism, etc.
 
If you throw in corporate liberal media, education elites, Hollywood to the above list, I will agree 100% with this comment. It amazes me how many people routinely think a candidate of one party or the other will ‘change’ things. Yes one can shift things (assuming we put up someone who can get enough votes to win) but not fundamentally change things. The powers that be will never go for that, both parties, capitalism, etc.
Most media and Hollywood studios are run by six corporations. I saw a chart on it once, I’d have to look it up.
 
No.
If that were true, Trump would not have gotten as far as he has. Trump represents a massive shift in this country into the uncharted waters of tyranny. Once that bureaucracy is empowered, it is very hard to get rid of.
I really don’t know what you mean. Are trump supporters going to use their guns to revolt and form a tyrannical government?

To think we don’t have bureaucracy now and to say the bureaucrats are not gunning on trump is contrary to reality.
 
Most media and Hollywood studios are run by six corporations. I saw a chart on it once, I’d have to look it up.
Yes, but the liberals are gaining real power - remember wasn’t it Amazon (maybe not?) who fired that executive for opposing gay marriage. Microsoft, Google, etc. Now the major money and power holders in the West are on the left and right.
 
You find normal americans scary. What do you think we might do?
I refuse to believe that those supporting the racism, misogyny, xenophobia, vulgarity, narcissism, and boorishness of Trump are “normal Americans.” If they are, we are in very scary times, indeed.
 
I refuse to believe that those supporting the racism, misogyny, xenophobia, vulgarity, narcissism, and boorishness of Trump are “normal Americans.” If they are, we are in very scary times, indeed.
Boorish and occasionally vulgar, I’d agree with you. racism, misogyny, xenophobia, narcissism are not truthful descriptions of trump.

I have very strong opinions about president Obama but I’d never go so far as to say his supporters aren’t normal americans.
 
Do you know how many Chinese civilians were brutally killed by Japan and how many more they would kill if not stopped? From what I understand the Japanese army refused to surrender unless utterly debilitated. They would fight until their breath and commit suicide before thinking about surrender. They were also using their own civilian life as last-resort defense.

I know this is a controversial topic and a definitive judgment is really difficult.
The Church has judged definitively. Ends don’t justify means.
2314 "Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation."109 A danger of modern warfare is that it provides the opportunity to those who possess modern scientific weapons especially atomic, biological, or chemical weapons - to commit such crimes.
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P81.HTM
 
It’s the followers of Trump I find scary, not Trump himself. If Trump does win the presidency, they will feel empowered. An empowered right-wing bureaucracy is what I fear. Only because it starts with empowerment, and grows into tyranny. We’ve seen that to some degree with Bush and Obama. But this is like a complete leap into the dark side.
I’m actually worried about what will happen when Trump is out of the political picture. Right now they feel empowered because they have Trump on their side. Once he’s no longer in the running they will lose that power and I’m worried they will turn to guns to retrieve the power again.
 
I’m actually worried about what will happen when Trump is out of the political picture. Right now they feel empowered because they have Trump on their side. Once he’s no longer in the running they will lose that power and I’m worried they will turn to guns to retrieve the power again.
Trust me, we want fairness and not our lives ruined. The worst that can happen is trump voters will vote every republican senator and representative who have conspired against trump out of office. After that life goes on. The republican party will probably die because many will never vote for them ever again. The heck with it! Both parties show themselves to be the same color so just let them have it! That’s a lot of trump voters not all.
 
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