Trump Thread

[Sy_Noe]

I agree, but would Cruz do much better? He doesn’t make the outlandish statements Trump makes, well not most of the time, but he’s so unlikable.

Edit: Only Fox has Cruz beating Clinton, and there’s no surprise there:

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

Trump versus Clinton, it’s a runaway victory for Clinton, even Fox agrees:

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

No. I don’t think Cruz would be much better for the GOP chances. I think of the 3 remaining, they need to choose Kasich for their absolute best shot in the general. But then they risk alienating Trump and Cruz supporters. I know there are many on the “right” who insist they do in fact need to run someone more extreme such as Cruz to win a general election. But I have never bought into that idea. I’m not convinced any Republican after Bush could have beaten Obama and in 2012 he was a sitting POTUS running for reelection whom the GOP was attempting to oust. Which is never an easy task. That’s why this yr I think they should run a Kasich for their best chances. Someone who would appeal to be less extreme and who might appeal to more independents or moderates in a general election. Cruz doesn’t seem to me to fit the bill. In the light of Trump and Cruz, Hillary only appears more the civil adult in the room and more moderate.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I’m not saying anything about what Trump believes or doesn’t believe. But I am talking about TV and CAF and other media causing people to believe Trump is doing extremely well through simple repetition.

That is fair enough. I have no clue what Trump really believes about much of anything.

 

[FollowChrist34]

No. I don’t think Cruz would be much better for the GOP chances. I think of the 3 remaining, they need to choose Kasich for their absolute best shot in the general. But then they risk alienating Trump and Cruz supporters. I know there are many on the “right” who insist they do in fact need to run someone more extreme such as Cruz to win a general election. But I have never bought into that idea. I’m not convinced any Republican after Bush could have beaten Obama and in 2012 he was a sitting POTUS running for reelection whom the GOP was attempting to oust. Which is never an easy task. That’s why this yr I think they should run a Kasich for their best chances. Someone who would appeal to be less extreme and who might appeal to more independents or moderates in a general election. Cruz doesn’t seem to me to fit the bill. In the light of Trump and Cruz, Hillary only appears more the civil adult in the room and more moderate.

This is a good, level-headed analysis - which means it falls into the ‘not the right message for the GOP this election year’ trash bin. It makes you wonder who are all these people saying they will vote for Kasich vs the people who are not voting for him in the primaries. I mean there should be some correlation you would think.

 

[Peter_J]

Speaking of Trump, I just happened to learn that the donaldjtrumppolls website has a page with two columns headed “Those working against Trump and the majority” and “Those backing Trump and the people”. So this got me thinking: was there a famous quote like “Democracy is people doing what I say”, or something like that? Does anyone remember?

 

[BellsMom]

I have voted for both republicans and democrats. I won’t be voting for Trump if he is the republican nominee. I would however give serious consideration to Kasich.

Should it be Trump v Clinton, I give him 1 month before he looses it and calls her an old ugly pig on twitter. The next day he’ll say he was just re-tweeting what some other people said.

 

[Little_Sheep]

No. I don’t think Cruz would be much better for the GOP chances. I think of the 3 remaining, they need to choose Kasich for their absolute best shot in the general. But then they risk alienating Trump and Cruz supporters. I know there are many on the “right” who insist they do in fact need to run someone more extreme such as Cruz to win a general election. But I have never bought into that idea. I’m not convinced any Republican after Bush could have beaten Obama and in 2012 he was a sitting POTUS running for reelection whom the GOP was attempting to oust. Which is never an easy task. That’s why this yr I think they should run a Kasich for their best chances. Someone who would appeal to be less extreme and who might appeal to more independents or moderates in a general election. Cruz doesn’t seem to me to fit the bill. In the light of Trump and Cruz, Hillary only appears more the civil adult in the room and more moderate.

I agree. I actually think Trump is a much tougher candidate for HRC to defeat than Cruz. In fact, I would say the Trump phenomenon proves that the Republicans do NOT need the most extreme Right-wing candidate on the ticket. Trump swept Southern evangelicals after praising PP repeatedly and calling Bush a liar who sent us into an unnecessary war!!!

Methinks the majority of Republicans in this country (and certainly the independents, moderates,etc…) are middle-of-the-road. We’ve had a pretty good run of it for 7 years with a centrist. I suspect we’ll have 8 more good ones with another. Maybe that will give the Republican Party some time to figure out who they really are.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Speaking of Trump, I just happened to learn that the donaldjtrumppolls website has a page with two columns headed “Those working against Trump and the majority” and “Those backing Trump and the people”. So this got me thinking: was there a famous quote like “Democracy is people doing what I say”, or something like that? Does anyone remember?

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
― Winston S. Churchill

“Elections belong to the people. It’s their decision. If they decide to turn their back on the fire and burn their behinds, then they will just have to sit on their blisters.”
― Abraham Lincoln

“Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken

“Do you know that one of the great problems of our age is that we are governed by people who care more about feelings than they do about thoughts and ideas.”
― Margaret Thatcher

that is probably enough for now…

 

[FollowChrist34]

I agree. I actually think Trump is a much tougher candidate for HRC to defeat than Cruz. In fact, I would say the Trump phenomenon proves that the Republicans do NOT need the most extreme Right-wing candidate on the ticket. Trump swept Southern evangelicals after praising PP repeatedly and calling Bush a liar who sent us into an unnecessary war!!!

Methinks the majority of Republicans in this country (and certainly the independents, moderates,etc…) are middle-of-the-road. We’ve had a pretty good run of it for 7 years with a centrist. I suspect we’ll have 8 more good ones with another. Maybe that will give the Republican Party some time to figure out who they really are.

What is not extreme about deporting 11 million people and banning all Muslims from entry into the US? Or denying all knowledge of who David Duke is after receiving his endorsement on the eve of Super Tuesday? Of offering to pay legal fees for those who rough up minority protestors at his rallies? The late night tweet attacks?

I agree with you that Trump is basically a moderate, but something is up with this rhetoric, his new ‘anger’ theme. The damage is done; this real or fake angry Trump, whichever it may be, is the one the Democrats will unite to vote against in record numbers. Oh, and women of course. Latinos. Blacks. The young. Trump unites and energizes the Dems just as much as Cruz does - actually much more according to most polls out there.

 

[grotto]

As events unfurl, people will begin to study the race sheets. The odds, the track record, the number of entries scratched. Guess that is why it is called “a good ole horse race”!

There is still some time until the race starts in November - meanwhile one scratch would be so very welcome. The case should be ready to come out of the oven soon!

 

[Sy_Noe]

This is a good, level-headed analysis - which means it falls into the ‘not the right message for the GOP this election year’ trash bin. It makes you wonder who are all these people saying they will vote for Kasich vs the people who are not voting for him in the primaries. I mean there should be some correlation you would think.

Less people vote in primaries. Maybe that’s who they would be in a general.

 

[Sy_Noe]

What is not extreme about deporting 11 million people and banning all Muslims from entry into the US? Or denying all knowledge of who David Duke is after receiving his endorsement on the eve of Super Tuesday? Of offering to pay legal fees for those who rough up minority protestors at his rallies? The late night tweet attacks?

I agree with you that Trump is basically a moderate, but something is up with this rhetoric, his new ‘anger’ theme. The damage is done; this real or fake angry Trump, whichever it may be, is the one the Democrats will unite to vote against in record numbers. Oh, and women of course. Latinos. Blacks. The young. Trump unites and energizes the Dems just as much as Cruz does - actually much more according to most polls out there.

Yup. Whether it’s Cruz or Trump. Uniting is part of the plan.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I agree. I actually think Trump is a much tougher candidate for HRC to defeat than Cruz. In fact, I would say the Trump phenomenon proves that the Republicans do NOT need the most extreme Right-wing candidate on the ticket. Trump swept Southern evangelicals after praising PP repeatedly and calling Bush a liar who sent us into an unnecessary war!!!

Methinks the majority of Republicans in this country (and certainly the independents, moderates,etc…) are middle-of-the-road. We’ve had a pretty good run of it for 7 years with a centrist. I suspect we’ll have 8 more good ones with another. Maybe that will give the Republican Party some time to figure out who they really are.

My only concern is that America has had a tendency to swing the pendulum in the past after 2-3 cycles. But then again we live in times that are not exactly comparable to our past. 4 terms of Democratic centrists might indeed be what the GOP needs to figure it out.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

No. I don’t think Cruz would be much better for the GOP chances. I think of the 3 remaining, they need to choose Kasich for their absolute best shot in the general. But then they risk alienating Trump and Cruz supporters. I know there are many on the “right” who insist they do in fact need to run someone more extreme such as Cruz to win a general election. But I have never bought into that idea. I’m not convinced any Republican after Bush could have beaten Obama and in 2012 he was a sitting POTUS running for reelection whom the GOP was attempting to oust. Which is never an easy task. That’s why this yr I think they should run a Kasich for their best chances. Someone who would appeal to be less extreme and who might appeal to more independents or moderates in a general election. Cruz doesn’t seem to me to fit the bill. In the light of Trump and Cruz, Hillary only appears more the civil adult in the room and more moderate.

I agree with you about Kasich, Sy, but I didn’t mention him because the Republicans themselves seem to have written him off.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

Now Trump is threatening to “spill the beans” about Cruz’s wife. That she battled depression 10 years ago.
Mental illness is an genuine illness. Medical history is protected by federal law. Now we have a presidential candidate who is discussing, making fun of, and disrespecting the wife of another candidate’s wife who had been treated for a mental health issue. A President is to protect medical privacy, not turn it into a campaign issue.
Forum rules do not allow me to post the various adjectives I have to describe such a person. All the better since we should not sink to his level.
If Trump and Hilary are our only choices in November, I urge people to stay home and pray the Rosary for our nation.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I agree with you about Kasich, Sy, but I didn’t mention him because the Republicans themselves seem to have written him off.

Yes I know. Jeb didn’t even endorse a fellow swing state governor such as Kasich. They seem to have just accepted their choice this yr for the nomination is 1) a reality TV star or 2) a fellow who may be best known for wanting to shutdown the govt of a nation of which he is running to be President of.

 

[Little_Sheep]

My only concern is that America has had a tendency to swing the pendulum in the past after 2-3 cycles. But then again we live in times that are not exactly comparable to our past. 4 terms of Democratic centrists might indeed be what the GOP needs to figure it out.

I very much get you with that. I personally rarely mind a shift of gears. But I do not believe we will shift to the Donald Trump gear! As you correctly point out, this is like NO race we’ve ever seen…and we lived through the Bush/Gore/Hanging Chad insanity!!!

 

[Peter_J]

No. I don’t think Cruz would be much better for the GOP chances. I think of the 3 remaining, they need to choose Kasich for their absolute best shot in the general. But then they risk alienating Trump and Cruz supporters. I know there are many on the “right” who insist they do in fact need to run someone more extreme such as Cruz to win a general election. But I have never bought into that idea. I’m not convinced any Republican after Bush could have beaten Obama and in 2012 he was a sitting POTUS running for reelection whom the GOP was attempting to oust. Which is never an easy task. That’s why this yr I think they should run a Kasich for their best chances. Someone who would appeal to be less extreme and who might appeal to more independents or moderates in a general election. Cruz doesn’t seem to me to fit the bill. In the light of Trump and Cruz, Hillary only appears more the civil adult in the room and more moderate.

It’s not outside the realm of possibility that moderate dems could cross the aisle and help a moderate get the GOP nomination – I imagine many of them aren’t crazy about Clinton or Sanders. But the thing is, I don’t think that would work to well at this point in time.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Now Trump is threatening to “spill the beans” about Cruz’s wife. That she battled depression 10 years ago.
Mental illness is an genuine illness. Medical history is protected by federal law. Now we have a presidential candidate who is discussing, making fun of, and disrespecting the wife of another candidate’s wife who had been treated for a mental health issue. A President is to protect medical privacy, not turn it into a campaign issue.
Forum rules do not allow me to post the various adjectives I have to describe such a person. All the better since we should not sink to his level.
If Trump and Hilary are our only choices in November, I urge people to stay home and pray the Rosary for our nation.

Is that the “beans” Trump was talking about? I listened to Talk Radio while I worked today, but I missed that rumor.

John McCain’s wife sure took a beating or two over her disease of addiction and that struck me as repugnant, but politics seems to be a blood sport these days. I agree with you that threatening to “out” someone for depression is about as cool as threatening to “out” someone for cancer.

But honestly, after witnessing a campaign feature actual penis size talk on national TV, I kinda gave up hope that it would get better from there.

 

[Peter_J]

But honestly, after witnessing a campaign feature actual penis size talk on national TV, I kinda gave up hope that it would get better from there.

Well okay, but you can’t really blame Foxnews, the RNC, or whoever else for what a particular candidate chooses to say.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Is that the “beans” Trump was talking about? I listened to Talk Radio while I worked today, but I missed that rumor.

John McCain’s wife sure took a beating or two over her disease of addiction and that struck me as repugnant, but politics seems to be a blood sport these days. I agree with you that threatening to “out” someone for depression is about as cool as threatening to “out” someone for cancer.

But honestly, after witnessing a campaign feature actual penis size talk on national TV, I kinda gave up hope that it would get better from there.

Sure, it’s tasteless and substandard, *but that is just what makes it so cool - political incorrectness rocks! * Teflon Don strikes again.

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