Trump Thread

[slMike]

I would guess that reality TV has influenced the way people think on this. The question should be whether The Donald is a good choice for the Republican nominee, not whether he’s racist, fascist, Nazi-like etc.

And when such smears are not even close to the truth:

“When Donald opened his club in Palm Beach called Mara-a-Lago, he insisted on accepting Jews and blacks even though other clubs in Palm Beach to this day discriminate against blacks and Jews,” Kessler says.

Source: Author Kessler: We’ve Yet to See the ‘Real Donald Trump’

How Jewish Values Help Ivanka Trump Stay Classy

“Not only is the outspoken Republican U.S. presidential candidate’s right-hand man a Jewish lawyer, but Donald Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, converted to Judaism.”

Source: When It Comes to Jewish Connections, Trump Trumps His GOP Competitors

Mike

 

[GaryTaylor]

That’s an easy cop out!

Actions speak louder than words. I don’t want to hear the rhetoric personally in fact I’m concerned with the results, National security failure and foreign horror show are Obamas resume-fact.

The good good talk is meaningless. The assault on the Catholic Church is well documented-fact.

Talk is meaningless, Obamas resulted in horror and Trumps has no blood or failed states. They have logical fallacy. Sorry, thats all it is.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

By declaring war on the Catholic Church to paraphrase Cruz. As far as the 2nd amendment, in short its; Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Without life there is no liberty and without liberty there is no pursuit of happiness and without the right to protect life all are meaningless words. All the rights much to the confusion of many are intimately connected.

Again, this isn’t a Roman Catholic theocracy, or I’d agree with you. Some people honestly believe life does not begin until a child can live outside the womb. Freedom of religion. And no one is being forced to have an abortion by the government. Absolutely no one. It is, in almost all cases, the choice of the mother-to-be. Her choice.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Actions speak louder than words. I don’t want to hear the rhetoric personally in fact I’m concerned with the results, National security failure and foreign horror show are Obamas resume-fact.

The good good talk is meaningless. The assault on the Catholic Church is well documented-fact.

Talk is meaningless, Obamas resulted in horror and Trumps has no blood or failed states. They have logical fallacy. Sorry, thats all it is.

That’s only because Trump has zero experience in politics. He has failed businesses, he’s exploited workers, etc. etc. The list goes on and on.

And I see no assault on the Catholic Church by Obama.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Again, this isn’t a Roman Catholic theocracy, or I’d agree with you

Another logical fallacy no one introduced but you. What it is -separation of Church and State, in which case the Obama agenda crossed the line and assaulted religious freedom.

Some people honestly believe life does not begin until a child can live outside the womb

Some is non sequitur, most scholars world wide don’t embrace this view.

Freedom of religion.

Exactly what Cruz was talking about and Obama chose to assault this.

And no one is being forced to have an abortion by the government.

The CC is being forced to cooperate with the horror and as far as the public they are led like sheep to the slaughter instead of being correctly informed and supported. Its a hedonistic selfish path of, me myself and I.

Her choice

To act like an animal and act off the feelings with disregard for life. Even animals don’t do that.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

That’s only because Trump has zero experience in politics. He has failed businesses, he’s exploited workers, etc. etc. The list goes on and on.

And I see no assault on the Catholic Church by Obama.

But Trump has also been very successful in business, and his failures only show he has the fortitude to get back up and keep trying.

But yes, he has no experience in politics and thinking he can order members of Congress to vote the way he wants as he does with subordinates in his business, just isn’t going to happen.

He also seems to have an ignorance on which part of government is in charge of passing laws and appropriating spending and levying taxes.

Jim

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Another logical fallacy no one introduced but you. What it is -separation of Church and State, in which case the Obama agenda crossed the line and assaulted religious freedom.

Some is non sequitur, most scholars world wide don’t embrace this view.

Exactly what Cruz was talking about and Obama chose to assault this.

The CC id being forced to cooperate with the horror and as far as the public they are led like sheep tothe slaughter instead of being correctly informed and supported. Its a hedonistic selfish path of me myself and I.

To act like an animal and act off the feelings with disregard for life. Even animals don’t do that.

Meaningless Obama/Hillary trash talk.

The Catholic Church isn’t being forced to cooperate with anything. They are free to hold any belief they like, and I repeat, we are not in China; the government is forcing NO ONE of ANY FAITH or even NO FAITH to have an abortion. The decision, in 99.999% of the cases, is the MOTHER’S.

 

[GaryTaylor]

That’s only because Trump has zero experience in politics. .

Again you propose a double standard with Obama and a bad one at that. I hope your think that failed point through.

And I see no assault on the Catholic Church by Obama.

And I am truly sorry about that but your vision isn’t the last word either.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Again you propose a double standard with Obama and a bad one at that

And I am truly sorry about that but you vision isn’t the last word either.

No, I propose no double standard. Abortion has been legal since 1973, so by your logic, every Republican president we’ve had since then has forced something you won’t define on the Catholic Church. By my logic, all of the president have been following what the SC, a Republican SC, deemed constitutional.

I am Catholic. I grew up in a Carmelite monastery. I didn’t visit it; I actually lived there from the age of five till eighteen. If I were raped, because I am not a fornicator, and became pregnant, I don’t feel ANYONE or ANYTHING would pressure me to have an abortion. Certainly not the government. They don’t care if I would or wouldn’t. And, as I said, it is the MOTHER who makes the decision. Every Catholic woman is free to NOT have an abortion.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Meaningless Obama/Hillary trash talk.

The Catholic Church isn’t being forced to cooperate with anything. .

The lawsuits obviously disagree with your opinion. Its not trash talk its a factual reality.

 

[jtauke]

I’m not sure how a Catholic can vote for a man that has such disdain for marriage.

“Often, I will tell friends whose wives are constantly nagging them about this or that that they’re better off leaving and cutting their losses,” Trump wrote. “I’m not a great believer in always trying to work things out, because it just doesn’t happen that way.”

“For a man to be successful he needs support at home, just like my father had from my mother, not someone who is always griping and bitching,” he continued. “When a man has to endure a woman who is not supportive and complains constantly about his not being home enough or not being attentive enough, he will not be very successful unless he is able to cut the cord.”

Source

 

[Lily_Bernans]

The lawsuits obviously disagree with your opinion. Its not trash talk its a factual reality.

I think they agree. In 1992, another Republican SC had the opportunity to strike a blow against Roe v Wade, and they declined to do so, so obviously, they believe abortion is a woman’s constitutional right.

It seems you don’t believe in personal responsibility. If abortion were illegal, how should a woman who has one be punished? We’ve been through this before. You could come up with no answers.

This is not a Roman Catholic theocracy. Take off your blinders. We don’t have the right to step on the faith of others any more than they have the right to step on ours. Just because abortion is legal doesn’t mean Catholic women have to have one. They don’t.

 

[tomarin]

No, I propose no double standard. Abortion has been legal since 1973, so by your logic, every Republican president we’ve had since then has forced something you won’t define on the Catholic Church. By my logic, all of the president have been following what the SC, a Republican SC, deemed constitutional.

I am Catholic. I grew up in a Carmelite monastery. I didn’t visit it; I actually lived there from the age of five till eighteen. If I were raped, because I am not a fornicator, and became pregnant, I don’t feel ANYONE or ANYTHING would pressure me to have an abortion. Certainly not the government. They don’t care if I would or wouldn’t. And, as I said, it is the MOTHER who makes the decision. Every Catholic woman is free to NOT have an abortion.

It is a choice in some sense, but not a morally licit one.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

It is a choice in some sense, but not a morally licit one.

No one is forcing a Catholic woman to have an abortion. This isn’t China. The immoral choice comes from the mother.

 

[Thorolfr]

“Often, I will tell friends whose wives are constantly nagging them about this or that that they’re better off leaving and cutting their losses,” Trump wrote. “I’m not a great believer in always trying to work things out, because it just doesn’t happen that way.”

I wonder if someone who is not willing to try and work things out would make a good President. What would happen if he had to work things out with Congress or other people who were opposed to his policies?

 

[GaryTaylor]

No, I propose no double standard…

Sure you did and in ignorance as Obama had NO experience

Abortion has been legal since 1973,

Wrong is wrong an even if everyone believes wrongly its still wrong.

so by your logic, every Republican president we’ve had since then has forced something you won’t define on the Catholic Church.

Thats your logic please don’t assign to me as its lacking as we see post by post.

By my logic, all of the president have been following what the SC, a Republican SC, deemed constitutional.

Whats constitutional and then right or wrong is debatable. many things such as slavery were considered constitutional The statement is misleading and in fact wrong.

I am Catholic. I grew up in a Carmelite monastery. I didn’t visit it; I actually lived there from the age of five till eighteen…

You’ve stated a million different facts about hats you wear, and all really don’t impress me.I’m sorry if that hurts your feelings. That has no weight with me in virtual reality you may be anything including a Bishop but if your not a disciple of Christ its moot.

If I were raped, because I am not a fornicator, and became pregnant, I don’t feel ANYONE or ANYTHING would pressure me to have an abortion. Certainly not the government. They don’t care if I would or wouldn’t.

No one suggested the 5% of incest rape and life of the mother we are talking the other 95% and in fact completely unneeded.

Sorry I see no point here.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Planned Parenthood v. Casey, 1992

A REPUBLICAN Supreme Court decided this:

“The Pennsylvania legislature amended its abortion control law in 1988 and 1989. Among the new provisions, the law required informed consent and a 24 hour waiting period prior to the procedure. A minor seeking an abortion required the consent of one parent (the law allows for a judicial bypass procedure). A married woman seeking an abortion had to indicate that she notified her husband of her intention to abort the fetus. These provisions were challenged by several abortion clinics and physicians. A federal appeals court upheld all the provisions except for the husband notification requirement.”

A five-four split, with Republicans deciding again not to strike a blow against Roe v. Wade.

Facts are facts; that’s not my opinion.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I think they agree. In 1992, another Republican SC had the opportunity to strike a blow against Roe v Wade, and they declined to do so, so obviously, they believe abortion is a woman’s constitutional right.

It seems you don’t believe in personal responsibility. If abortion were illegal, how should a woman who has one be punished? We’ve been through this before. You could come up with no answers.

This is not a Roman Catholic theocracy. Take off your blinders. We don’t have the right to step on the faith of others any more than they have the right to step on ours. Just because abortion is legal doesn’t mean Catholic women have to have one. They don’t.

Your simply not very well informed I am truly sorry.

huffingtonpost.com/news/hobby-lobby/

 

[GaryTaylor]

A REPUBLICAN Supreme Court decided this:

And your redundant logical fallacy is two fold. But to start its two wrongs equate to right and its constitutional.

 

[jtauke]

I wonder if someone who is not willing to try and work things out would make a good President. What would happen if he had to work things out with Congress or other people who were opposed to his policies?

Exactly! How can a man be expected to “make deals” on behalf of country if he can’t even come to terms with 2 women he promised to love until death do they part.