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Uh, yeah it can. Money can buy all the schooling, tutors, and support you need to make your children competent.

And the children would be crazy to turn away from daddy warbucks.
Yet America spends more money per pupil than any other industrialized nation is ranked near to last in many categories.

For instance, New York spends nearly three times per pupil than Utah, but the test results from both states are similar.

Money in American public schools isn’t buying tutors and support for kids—it’s buying football arenas and helping out unions so they can funnel money to the Democratic Party.
 
Waterboarding seems pretty extreme to me, and as a Roman Catholic theology professor, I can testify that it violates the dignity of the human person:
Back to the theocracy you abandoned pages ago so soon. Wiki pedia has nothing to do with anything.
a Roman Catholic theology professor,
:eek: Whoa. where???
 
Waterboarding seems pretty extreme to me, and as a Roman Catholic theology professor, I can testify that it violates the dignity of the human person:
“Waterboarding is a form of water torture in which water is poured over a cloth covering the face and breathing passages of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to experience the sensation of drowning. Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage, and death.[1] Adverse physical consequences can manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological effects can last for years.[2]”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

If waterboarding is no extreme, what would you classify as extreme?
Waterboarding is no doubt torture, though death is not the intention.

More extreme and resulting in death is abortion, in particular partial birth abortion.

I’m willing to throw my dice with Trump to reduce the latter while not consenting to the former.

Mike
 
I don’t think anyone mentioned Hillary’s lack of catholic morality until trump was bashed for being married and divorced. This has been a constant theme in criticizing trump.
Look, for all the Trumpites and newbies out there:

If you’re running as a GOP candidate, the other side expects you to be perfect morally.

If not, you are a hypocrite and the liberals can do what you did 10 times over and worse and it’s still okay in their minds.
 
Waterboarding is no doubt torture, though death is not the intention.

More extreme and resulting in death is abortion, in particular partial birth abortion.

I’m willing to throw my dice with Trump to reduce the latter while not consenting to the former.

Mike
We’re discussing torture here and Donald Trump’s advocacy of it. Thanks.
 
Trump supports torture, murder of the families of “suspected” terrorists, and violence at his rallies. He epitomizes a culture of death.

Please Rationalize this with our faith.
Trump supporters, you are avoiding this.

Please rationalize, using our faith.
 
Would you try to undergo it to see?
For one thing, administration of it by someone who knows what he’s doing is not available to me. I’m also a bit agey for anything stressful, which undoubtedly waterboarding is. Apparently all Navy seals, special forces and a lot of Marines do, though. And, as I said, I have not read where lots of them, or any of them, have been damaged permanently by it.

And neither would I volunteer to be on the receiving end of airborne ordinance like hellfire missiles or napalm. But erstwhile moralists don’t address those things; possibly because Obama does them while three waterboardings occurred under George Bush’s administration.

But the real question in all of these “torture” arguments, and one that is never answered, is what the proper definition of “torture” really is, either just as a rational thing or from the Church’s point of view. The Church has never condemned waterboarding, specifically.

I realize defining torture is difficult because it’s so context dependent and subjective to most. And, really, asking someone like me whether I would undergo waterboarding is a request for a subjective answer, and without context. Would I undergo it for five minutes with a doctor standing by? Probably. Would I undergo it for hours? No, because I doubt I would survive that any more than I would now likely survive the fraternity hazing I underwent when I was in college.
 
If they go with Trump, his lies and insults are too numerous and too deep. He’s given Hillary far too much to work with to discredit him.

The scoreboard says Hilary’s lies and criminal acts are too numerous and too deep - when she is wearing jumpsuit orange there won’t be any interest in her views of others.

Gen Petraeus is having another private chat regarding disclosures of classified material to those Hilary chose to be informed. Perhaps we are getting close to a resolution that will not be amenable to running for President.

Anybody heard from Bill lately? He looked pretty shaky when he yelled at that war veteran that asked him a question!
 
Please Rationalize this with our faith.
I already have …
Oh no not at all perish the thought, in fact I was waiting for the exact point of his dialogue to be addressed and elaborated upon. Far by me to assume what another is suggesting and read minds. I don’t have that degree nor do they give them out.
But I’m sure there’s a articulated point to be made. But I only read accusations and an indictment sheet with no support of whats actually being referred to or said? If theres a point post the source and quote the point least we “assume”., I know you heard about assuming. LOL.
 
For one thing, administration of it by someone who knows what he’s doing is not available to me. I’m also a bit agey for anything stressful, which undoubtedly waterboarding is. Apparently all Navy seals, special forces and a lot of Marines do, though. And, as I said, I have not read where lots of them, or any of them, have been damaged permanently by it.

And neither would I volunteer to be on the receiving end of airborne ordinance like hellfire missiles or napalm. But erstwhile moralists don’t address those things; possibly because Obama does them while three waterboardings occurred under George Bush’s administration.

But the real question in all of these “torture” arguments, and one that is never answered, is what the proper definition of “torture” really is, either just as a rational thing or from the Church’s point of view. The Church has never condemned waterboarding, specifically.

I realize defining torture is difficult because it’s so context dependent and subjective to most. And, really, asking someone like me whether I would undergo waterboarding is a request for a subjective answer, and without context. Would I undergo it for five minutes with a doctor standing by? Probably. Would I undergo it for hours? No, because I doubt I would survive that any more than I would now likely survive the fraternity hazing I underwent when I was in college.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/torture/upload/torture-is-an-intrinsic-evil-study-guide.pdf

If you scroll down to III, waterboarding is defined a “torture” by the USCCB.
 
Trump supporters, you are avoiding this.

Please rationalize, using our faith.
“Rationalize” is usually taken to mean “justify as best you can, even though it’s unjustifiable”. It’s no wonder nobody took you up on it.

What did Trump mean, subjectively? I don’t know any more than you do. Perhaps he meant that he would not impose the “rules of engagement” now imposed on the military, whereby civilian casualties are avoided at the price of failure or our own casualties, if necessary. (Well, except sometimes in Afghanistan and Waziristan, it seems.)

War is war, and it’s brutal and a hard thing to keep exquisitely selective. In WWII, for example, there was some deliberate bombing of civilians, but most of it was secondary to hitting military targets that absolutely needed to be taken out.

Or did he mean that he would target the families of terrorists specifically, whether terrorists were in the cross hairs or not? We don’t know, but one can seriously doubt it.
 

The scoreboard says Hilary’s lies and criminal acts are too numerous and too deep - when she is wearing jumpsuit orange there won’t be any interest in her views of others.

Gen Petraeus is having another private chat regarding disclosures of classified material to those Hilary chose to be informed. Perhaps we are getting close to a resolution that will not be amenable to running for President.

Anybody heard from Bill lately? He looked pretty shaky when he yelled at that war veteran that asked him a question!
This is the Trump thread. We are just discussing Trump here.
 
Trump supporters, you are avoiding this.

Please rationalize, using our faith.
You position is this isn’t a theocracy as a democrat, You have to qualify your own position. LOL. You seem not to get this point? Its called hypocrisy and yours. LOL.
 
Trump supports torture, murder of the families of “suspected” terrorists, and violence at his rallies. He epitomizes a culture of death.

Please Rationalize this with our faith.
The USCCB considers waterboarding torture. Donald Trump advocates for it.

Please rationalize this with our faith as you were politely asked many posts ago. If you don’t, we will have to assume you cannot, or you would. 🤷
 
This is probably obvious - but I will say to all Republicans out there who have outstanding primaries or caucuses still to come, how important it is to vote, all the way down to the wire now - right down to California. I contacted my state Republican Office yesterday (just google search and email or call). Washington has a mail in primary this year, which makes it very easy - we mail in a ballot. If you don’t know what to do, call your local Republican office. If you have time, get involved and help your candidate.
 
We’re discussing torture here and Donald Trump’s advocacy of it. Thanks.

I think you are mistaken - this is a “Trump Thread” so the discussion is certainly varied and not dedicated to torture.

Good news! They finally got their hands on the Paris ISIS attack leader who managed to avoid capture! The great part is they can get lots of information from him regarding others and all areas of interest. How tough will the questioning be? Lots tougher in France and Belgium than in the U.S.A.
 
Look, for all the Trumpites and newbies out there:

If you’re running as a GOP candidate, the other side expects you to be perfect morally.

If not, you are a hypocrite
and the liberals can do what you did 10 times over and worse and it’s still okay in their minds.
👍

It appears some Catholics believe they are somehow going to find the lay version of the late great Archbishop Sheen as the GOP candidate and he will win the American vote. It will never happen in the current American moral climate.

Mike
 
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