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gracepoole said:
Trump walks and talks like a fascist. Ergo…

That said, the US isn’t a fascist society. And therein lies a tremendous difference between it and Germany of the mid-20th-century.

This is interesting:
Carl Bernstein: Trump Represents “A New Kind Of American Fascism”
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Interesting. I’ll take the bait - what is a ‘fascist society’? (Rhetorical question.)

I am with you and Bernstein here: a national debate on a ‘strong man’ authoritarian spin on what the Founding Fathers envisioned as the ‘executive branch’ is definitely in order.
 
Monkey1976 said:
Why not? If a woman can be tried and convicted of murder for killing her own child after it’s born, why not before?
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Additionally,because of the abortion rights that now extend to pretty much right before the infant is to be born,for any and all reasons,making abortion illegal would end most of the slaughter of the unborn.
 
lynnvinc said:
I’m just wondering how many of his mistresses and flings Trump has sent in for abortions and how many he will continue to do so. Of course, if he makes it illegal in the U.S., he’ll just send them abroad for a “visit,” the way many women used to do before Wade, those who could afford better than the back alleys or had rich men backing them.

Or, maybe he’ll just follow a “kill everyone” policy. Violence-instigation, war triggering, anti-environment, anti healthy air-water-food, climate change denial (oh, I forgot, Cruz is also in the same killer vein on these latter), head-in-the-sand, etc. Once we’re all dead that would really end abortion quite effectively, but not very humanely.

Dump Trump!

Mr. Hate out of my state!

Let me know if there are anymore anti-Trump slogans. I’m willing to shout them out and risk being attacked and killed by Trumpers – I’m old and have lived a full life…
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Young, old, or in between, we want you here. 👍

Today, Trump would only have to send them to Canada. Maybe that’s why he’s keeping that border open!
 
Jeanne_S said:
Additionally,because of the abortion rights that now extend to pretty much right before the infant is to be born,for any and all reasons,making abortion illegal would end most of the slaughter of the unborn.
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I think this is true. Also, women that are truly free don’t kill their babies; for many, there would be mitigating circumstances that would reduce any sentancing. Anyway, intelligent sentancing structures could be built to include probation and counseling, community service hours, etc. The reduction of the discussion to “would you have the death penalty or life in prison for women who choose abortion” is a ridiculous reduction of the conversation.
 
Tablefor9 said:
I think this is true. Also, women that are truly free don’t kill their babies; for many, there would be mitigating circumstances that would reduce any sentancing. Anyway, intelligent sentancing structures could be built to include probation and counseling, community service hours, etc. The reduction of the discussion to “would you have the death penalty or life in prison for women who choose abortion” is a ridiculous reduction of the conversation.
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I agree that many women could show mitigating factors that would reduce their culpability, but I have known women who aborted simply because they wanted to be rid of the baby, which they considered a “burden.” That applies to more women than you think, judging by your post. No matter what a woman is suffering, one who deliberately has her defenseless unborn child murdered in the most horrific way is pretty hard-hearted. Being lenient with these hard-hearted women would open the door for murderers of strangers to make valid appeals. Murdering your defenseless child is certainly more amoral than murdering a total stranger.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Additionally,because of the abortion rights that now extend to pretty much right before the infant is to be born,for any and all reasons,making abortion illegal would end most of the slaughter of the unborn.
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It didn’t before 1973. Women went someplace else, to an illegal abortionist, or induced abortion themselves, sometimes dying in the attempt. What makes you think it would be different today? I think it’d be easier.
 
That one protester was taken on at the rally, I’m not sure of all the facts, some news stories report various details. Violence is never a way to act; but undoubtedly, the protesters are seeking to cause confrontation and impede the rights of free speech.

The silent majority is not so silent anymore.
Tensions soar at Trump’s immigration-focused rallies in Arizona
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Lily_Bernans said:
I agree that many women could show mitigating factors that would reduce their culpability, but I have known women who aborted simply because they wanted to be rid of the baby, which they considered a “burden.” That applies to more women than you think, judging by your post. No matter what a woman is suffering, one who deliberately has her defenseless unborn child murdered in the most horrific way is pretty hard-hearted. Being lenient with these hard-hearted women would open the door for murderers of strangers to make valid appeals. Murdering your defenseless child is certainly more amoral than murdering a total stranger.
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If there is little mitigating factor, there should be little leeway in sentancing guidelines. And it should be structured differently. Abortion, versus murder of born child/etc. Not because of value of the life, but because of principle. While a child is in the womb, there is a possibility of natural tragedy causing fetal demise. To put it in an agricultural context, a farmer who loses chickens and eggs to a neighbor’s dog has a right to reimbursement for the chickens, but not the biddies not yet hatched from the eggs. Likewise, premeditated abortion might not carry the same exact penalty as premeditated murder of say, a six year old (no reason, just off the top of my head).
 
Pier said:
Hmm…

Have any Democrats ever said the same about Sharpton? Instead of pandering to him for his support?
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Not to digress too long, but Sharpton should never have been where he is. He rose to prominence as a result of an outrageous and totally false rape accusation (Tawana Brawley.) No one should listen to a word he says.
 
Tablefor9 said:
I think you are right, in part; though I am one who sees fascist echoes in Mr. Trump. And, yes, I could give you more than you want on any of these topics, which is probably why I see the similarities to those of notoriety.

#1. Mr. Trump is an opportunist, whose program is fluid, shifting to stoke the fires of an angry populace. *if one reads the early writings of dictators, it’s not so much “true believer” but “opportunism” that gets the job done for them. They use what works. It’s about Power, not Dogma.

#2. The use of nationalist sentiment or fear of a failing national economy to assume power.

#3. #1 & # 2 are Accompanied by scapegoating of minorities or religious/ethnic groups, complete with an idea to specially identify or deport.

#4. He is manipulative. What else is it when a person says they are prolife then defines it with a basic pro CHOICE definition? Manipulation of persons and facts. Liar.
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Exactly, and well stated.
 
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The rhetoric needs to calm down
 
Lily_Bernans said:
It didn’t before 1973. Women went someplace else, to an illegal abortionist, or induced abortion themselves, sometimes dying in the attempt. What makes you think it would be different today? I think it’d be easier.
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If we went back to pre roe v wade then yes I think it is reasonable to assume that abortion would still covertly occur.However,it wouldn’t be as rampant t as it is now.Just as with all laws,they are in place to keep people in place so to speak.There will always be those who will find a way around anything.For the vast majority of people,laws will give them pause before doing something illegal.To the argument of the back ally unsafe abortions that would likely occur,well,that is still happening in spite of abortion being legal.This includesPP facilities as well as smaller run clinics.Women have lost their lives pretty regularly as we all are aware.Making abortion rare and safe,which is the chief talking point of the left,is not working in many cases now.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
If abortion were illegal, I believe any woman who has one should be tried for murder if she kills her child before it’s born.

But most people here seem to think only the doctor is culpable. Certainly he or she would be complicit, but I don’t think he would be culpable to the extent the woman who hired him would be.

Going to an abortionist is contracting for murder, plain and simple.
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yes.
 
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