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Pier
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As a Catholic, I wouldn’t even THINK of voting for a pro-abortion Democrat, no matter WHAT their daddy did for a living…
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queenofheartscv
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The key word here is ON PAPER.
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Path_Finder
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- Wharton, renown school of finance
- Real Estate Developer
- Creator of thousands of jobs
- Successful businesses in multiple countries
- Military school graduate
etc.
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RyanBlack
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And perhaps you could put a disclaimer in your posts: “I support Trump completely and am not interested in any criticisms of him, regardless of how reasonable those criticisms might be. Everybody who criticizes Trump is wrong and is being unfair to him.”Perhaps you could put a disclaimer in all your posts: I believe Trump is insulting to everyone. If he hasn’t insulted them yet, just be patient. Nobody likes Trump, or at least they shouldn’t.
Just a suggestion.
Just a suggestion.
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Path_Finder
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This can go on forever; at least the poster does not proclaim to support abortion enabling politicians. Very contrary to the Catholic faith.And perhaps you could put a disclaimer in your posts: “I support Trump completely and am not interested in any criticisms of him, regardless of how reasonable those criticisms might be. Everybody who criticizes Trump is wrong and is being unfair to him.”
Just a suggestion.
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Pier
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I wonder if this will generate false hope among Democrats.
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RyanBlack
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It is clearly contrary to Catholic faith to support a politician on the basis of a politician’s pro-choice position. It is not the case that Catholics are never permitted to support pro-choice politicians. Furthermore, even if Donald Trump is pro-life (which I don’t believe), that doesn’t give him a free pass on every other issue.
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Pier
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Key words here…“in Utah.”
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Lily_Bernans
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Some by his own account!
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Lily_Bernans
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Yes, we are. Even Benedict XVI said it was okay. I’ve explained it ad infinitum, and ad nauseum to some poster.
From Benedict XVI:
“When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation [with evil], which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”
ncronline.org/news/politics/yes-catholics-may-vote-bernie-sanders
Not Benedict’s words, but from the same article:
“This is especially true when such protection requires using the federal dollars to give mothers necessary resources. It is just not clear that Republicans are actually committed to protecting prenatal child, and it is therefore not clear we should trust them.”
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Peter_J
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Exactly.
Possibly the biggest problem with conversations about Trump (well, aside from the issue of distinguishing between conversing and advertising) is too many people, on both sides, trying to boil his statements down to literal or technical meanings.
For example: on the surface, Trump not only said that he loves Mormons, but complimented them further by suggesting that Romney couldn’t really be one. But looking beneath the surface, the results I expect from Trump’s comments are Mormons feeling usurped and Romney supporters getting defensive that he is “really a Mormon”. I won’t even be surprised if there’s a lot of media coverage of “Is Trump bigoted against Mormons?” which in turn leaves many Americans thinking that Mormons are out to get Trump. (Even going I a step further, we could see pro-Hillary Mormons looking to turn it to their advantage.)
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Path_Finder
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Yet, no realistic examples of being able to support a pro-choice politician canbe given, it is an abstract case. So, one might as well say, one can not vote for abortion enabling politicians as a Catholic.
Especially with the extremist position of the DNC.
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Pier
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People who have been pro-abortion in the past, have become pro-life over time…
And this of course includes Norma McCorvey, aka “Roe” of Roe v. Wade, thanks be to God. †
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_Abyssinia
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It is permitted to vote for a pro-choice candidate if there are proportionate reasons!
This article has numerous quotes regarding the issue of proportionate reasons: vox-nova.com/2007/10/13/proportionate-reasons/
Archbishop John J Myers:
“Certainly policies on welfare, national security, the war in Iraq, Social Security or taxes, taken singly or in any combination, do not provide a proportionate reason to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.”
osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/PapalVisit/Articles/Article/TabId/2727/ArtMID/20933/ArticleID/5567/Letters-to-the-Editor-for-August-10-2008-.aspx
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Peter_J
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So noted.And perhaps you could put a disclaimer in your posts: “I support Trump completely and am not interested in any criticisms of him, regardless of how reasonable those criticisms might be. Everybody who criticizes Trump is wrong and is being unfair to him.”
Just a suggestion.
But honestly I don’t think it will really matter. History has shown that the more pro-Trump a poster is, the more popular he/she is.
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pnewton
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LOL. I would argue that not being a lawyer is the only thing Trump does have going for him.
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Robert_Bay
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NOTICE
Please discuss the issues, not each other
Please discuss the issues, not each other
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Pier
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Oops…
Pardon. I don’t really know what, or even how, that happened…?
Pardon. I don’t really know what, or even how, that happened…?
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jtauke
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As much as some people would like to think, you can’t run a country like a business. Trump is used to being able to order everyone around because he’s the boss. I’ll say, if we have the misfortune to end up with a President Trump, I can’t wait to see the look on his face when congress thumbs their nose at him the first time. LOL 50 shades of orange I’d bet.
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_Abyssinia
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It is permitted to vote for a pro-choice candidate if there are proportionate reasons!
This article has numerous quotes from Clergy and others regarding the issue of proportionate reasons: vox-nova.com/2007/10/13/proportionate-reasons/
Archbishop John J Myers:
“Certainly policies on welfare, national security, the war in Iraq, Social Security or taxes, taken singly or in any combination, do not provide a proportionate reason to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.”
osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/PapalVisit/Articles/Article/TabId/2727/ArtMID/20933/ArticleID/5567/Letters-to-the-Editor-for-August-10-2008-.aspx
How can it not be clear that Republicans by and large are for protecting the prenatal child when hundreds of abortion restriction/regulation laws have been passed at the state level thanks to Republican majorities and very little I think you’ll find, support from Democrats. Republicans in the House of Representatives have passed bills such as the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, (did that get any Democrats to vote in support?), while a Democrat sponsored bill, the Women’s Health Protection Act, effectively stops various abortion restrictions/regulations in the states: congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1696
What has the Democratic party done to protect the prenatal child?
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