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Path_Finder said:
Yet, no realistic examples of being able to support a pro-choice politician canbe given, it is an abstract case. So, one might as well say, one can not vote for abortion enabling politicians as a Catholic.

Especially with the extremist position of the DNC.
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Exactly.The defense of those who support pro abortion candidates for what they consider proportionate reasons must purely be a subjective one.I personally can’t see anything the Dems party has done that would offset their ardent love of abortion rights.If they actually walked the talk that would be another matter entirely.I have not seen any evidence of them improving the plight of the poor and disinfranchised,if anything things are worse.They fight the right to real choice re education and really are just all about keeping them beholding to the party through gov’t handouts.How about teaching folks to take care of themselves,rather than keeping them dependent on the gov’t.Now that would be a worthy endeavor.👍
 
All people are created equal. That means we should not abort, which I support. However, it also means that the needs of already-born people are also important. I feel the Democratic candidates, at least in this election, are far, far superior to the Republican ones, especially when I don’t even know if the Republican front runner is pro-choice or pro-life.

I’ve explained this so many times it must be making some people sick.

My conscience, and I have a well-formed conscience, is clear. It wouldn’t be if I were going to vote for Trump or Cruz, especially when it was Republican appointed justices who voted to uphold Roe v Wade.
 
Pier said:
People who have been pro-abortion in the past, have become pro-life over time…

And this of course includes Norma McCorvey, aka “Roe” of Roe v. Wade, thanks be to God. †
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That is true. I see no reason to believe this is the case with Donald Trump. Too many pro-choice Republicans conveniently become pro-life when deciding to enter the presidential race.
 
RyanBlack said:
That is true. I see no reason to believe this is the case with Donald Trump. Too many pro-choice Republicans conveniently become pro-life when deciding to enter the presidential race.
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That said, we DO KNOW where pro-abortion Democrats stand…

Whereas with the Republicans, at least there’s hope. Especially with regard as to whom they’ll appoint to the Supreme Court.
 
Path_Finder said:
Yet, no realistic examples of being able to support a pro-choice politician canbe given, it is an abstract case. So, one might as well say, one can not vote for abortion enabling politicians as a Catholic.

Especially with the extremist position of the DNC.
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If it were entirely abstract, without ever having the possibility of instances in which it would be acceptable, then-Cardinal Ratzinger wouldn’t have offered the possibility.
 
RyanBlack said:
That is true. I see no reason to believe this is the case with Donald Trump. Too many pro-choice Republicans conveniently become pro-life when deciding to enter the presidential race.
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If life of the innocents can be saved, I think it is worth taking that chance.

I think most people know abortion is wrong, in whatever verbal gymnastics occur.

Voting for the opposition represents a radical support of abortion.
 
jtauke said:
As much as some people would like to think, you can’t run a country like a business. Trump is used to being able to order everyone around because he’s the boss. I’ll say, if we have the misfortune to end up with a President Trump, I can’t wait to see the look on his face when congress thumbs their nose at him the first time. LOL 50 shades of orange I’d bet.
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As between a person like Obama who never administered anything in his life before becoming president, and a person like Trump, I would say the likelihood is that the one with massive experience is likely to be the superior to the one who hasn’t.

Remember, in all business deals, there is always a “counterparty” with whom one must negotiate resolutions. You can’t just order them around. You have to be able to show the counterparty that a resolution favorable to you is also favorable to him.
 
That a Republican President could appoint a pro-life judge to the Supreme Court should, imo, be something all Christians take into consideration.
 
Jeanne_S said:
If we went back to pre roe v wade then yes I think it is reasonable to assume that abortion would still covertly occur.However,it wouldn’t be as rampant t as it is now.Just as with all laws,they are in place to keep people in place so to speak.There will always be those who will find a way around anything.For the vast majority of people,laws will give them pause before doing something illegal.To the argument of the back ally unsafe abortions that would likely occur,well,that is still happening in spite of abortion being legal.This includesPP facilities as well as smaller run clinics.Women have lost their lives pretty regularly as we all are aware.Making abortion rare and safe,which is the chief talking point of the left,is not working in many cases now.
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Well said - thanks! At least we can begin to end by not financially having our tax dollars used to provide for this horrible destruction of life.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
. I feel the Democratic candidates, at least in this election, are far, far superior to the Republican ones.
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Before reaching such a conclusion, one needs to recognize that how one “feels” is not important. One needs to look at the factual realities. In the last eight years, (and long before, actually) the Dems have done nothing to help those most in need. Middle class and corporate welfare, yes. The very last thing of any significance done to help those in real need was the Earned Income Credit, and that was Reagan’s.
 
Pier said:
That a Republican President could appoint a pro-life judge to the Supreme Court should, imo, be something all Christians take into consideration.
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And it is up to the Senate to “advise and consent” on Supreme Court nominees, if the Senate has a majority of Democrats, imo, that is something for all Christians to take into consideration.

If a decision by the Supreme Court is by one singular vote, that should be taken into consideration instead of just blaming one party.

Abortion was new to the SCOTUS in '73, likewise, the Democratic politician, Wade, brought the issue up to them.

All Christians should consider the nomination of Judge Robert Bork was fought by the Democrats; and some pro-lifers say that would have overturned Roe.

So, if one has such great biases against one party, that should be remembered in listening to their arguments.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Before reaching such a conclusion, one needs to recognize that how one “feels” is not important. One needs to look at the factual realities. In the last eight years, (and long before, actually) the Dems have done nothing to help those most in need. Middle class and corporate welfare, yes. The very last thing of any significance done to help those in real need was the Earned Income Credit, and that was Reagan’s.
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“Feels” is just a word. I will substitute “evaluates.”

And, it was the Reagan administration who took away legitimate Social Security payments from disabled people and cause many to commit suicide.

We aren’t to be discussing me or even Reagan, but the issues in THIS election.

After looking at the issues and studying them, and comparing them, etc. I find the Democrats to be more worthy than the Republicans. And I am totally at peace with my Democratic vote.
 
Path_Finder said:
And it is up to the Senate to “advise and consent” on Supreme Court nominees, if the Senate has a majority of Democrats, imo, that is something for all Christians to take into consideration.

If a decision by the Supreme Court is by one singular vote, that should be taken into consideration instead of just blaming one party.

Abortion was new to the SCOTUS in '73, likewise, the Democratic politician, Wade, brought the issue up to them.

All Christians should consider the nomination of Judge Robert Bork was fought by the Democrats; and some pro-lifers say that would have overturned Roe.

So, if one has such great biases against one party, that should be remembered in listening to their arguments.
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Indeed, and

Agreed. Christians should DEFINITELY take ALL of this into consideration.
 
Pier said:
That a Republican President could appoint a pro-life judge to the Supreme Court should, imo, be something all Christians take into consideration.
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Republicans appointed five of the seven justices that upheld Roe v Wade and made abortion legal. That argument holds no water, or anything else. Republicans had another chance to strike a blow at Roe v. Wade in 1992 with Planned Parenthood v Casey, yet the majority of Republican justices voted to uphold yet again.

Republican appointed justices don’t have a good record when it comes to abortion. One would think it would be better, but it’s not.

The number of abortions has continually fallen under Obama’s administration. The Democrats have a better record of reducing abortions than the Republicans.
 
grotto said:
Well said - thanks! At least we can begin to end by not financially having our tax dollars used to provide for this horrible destruction of life.
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Which includes financing the recommendation of such services to the young, through the education system…

As such should NOT be the business of the government, as supported by our tax dollars.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Republicans appointed five of the seven justices that upheld Roe v Wade and made abortion legal. That argument holds no water, or anything else. Republicans had another chance to strike a blow at Roe v. Wade in 1992 with Planned Parenthood v Casey, yet the majority of Republican justices voted to uphold yet again.

Republican appointed justices don’t have a good record when it comes to abortion.
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Actually, Roe and its progeny came out of nowhere. The Roe case was decided by one man.

If one looks at more recent appointments and developments, one should look at Gonzalez vs. Carhart. At issue in that case was whether state bans on partial birth abortion could be upheld.

Notwithstanding that Kennedy is a renegade, he still voted with Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas to uphold partial birth abortion bans. All were Repub appointees, and no Repub appointee voted against the bans. Even Kennedy couldn’t stomach partial birth abortion. (killing viable infants)

On the other hand, all four Dem appointees voted to strike down partial birth abortion bans passed by the states. All four.

Sometimes the obvious answer to questions like “who favors abortion and who doesn’t” is the correct answer.
 
Trump has zero experience in foreign relations. Zero. Business doesn’t count. If it did, I’d qualify for president, and I don’t.
 
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