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Tomdstone
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Yes. What did Hillary mean when she said “Far too many women are denied access to reproductive health care” and then said that religious beliefs have to be changed?
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Lily_Bernans
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Most of the crimes committed in the US are committed by citizens.Tell that to the families who have suffered at the hands of illegals.
How would Trump or the border guards, who are not being prevented from doing their job, know the background of anyone entering or exiting the US?
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Path_Finder
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No, it’s a statement twisting one’s words because he is not saying one group of people are all rapists.No, that was not the point. However, others outside of the United States have the equal right to human dignity. Broad generalizations and caricaturization is an offense against human dignity. We should not refer to others in a way that we do not want to be referred to. If one were to say, “They shouldn’t be here,” is a statement on illegal immigration. Saying, “They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people,” is s statement against human dignity.
Yes, we need to infer that he is referring to people here illegally, in context, but that does no justify such rhetoric. It plays to the worst of our inhumanity that deals with people as if they weren’t the same as us, our equals. When we arrest, deport, imprison, or take any other action against another person, we must do so while respecting their equal human dignity.
I come from a minority majority state; and believe me, it works both ways.
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queenofheartscv
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Yes but when citizens commit a crime they are punished, but when illegals do, they are allowed to come back and even get rewarded with legal status.Most of the crimes committed in the US are committed by citizens.
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Path_Finder
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Exiting? Really? One has never heard of passports?Most of the crimes committed in the US are committed by citizens.
How would Trump or the border guards, who are not being prevented from doing their job, know the background of anyone entering or exiting the US?
Entering. Yes, how would one know. Simply put they don’t.
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Path_Finder
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IF it is that important to one, vote to enable abortion, I myself will not.Exactly what she said. Abortion is not “reproductive health care.” Hillary has a very high IQ. I’m sure she knows that. Go read the speech or listen to it.
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Lily_Bernans
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Surely a billionaire could hire an adequate fact checker before he puts his foot in his mouth yet again:Tell that to the families who have suffered at the hands of illegals.
“Newcomers to the U.S. are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated.”
wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798
“Foreign-born individuals exhibit remarkably low levels of involvement in crime across their life course.” (Bianca Bersani, University of Massachusetts, 2014. Published in Justice Quarterly.)
washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/
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queenofheartscv
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If they are legal, we at least know something about them. If they are illegal, good luck with knowing anything.Most of the crimes committed in the US are committed by citizens.
How would Trump or the border guards, who are not being prevented from doing their job, know the background of anyone entering or exiting the US?
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queenofheartscv
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Less likely? How is that for comfort when it is your family who suffers from the hand of an illegal? Do you say you are just a one-off?Surely a billionaire could hire an adequate fact checker before he puts his foot in his mouth yet again:
“Newcomers to the U.S. are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated.”
wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798
washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/
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Lily_Bernans
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The fact that some Mexicans have committed a crime does not justify Trump’s comment that Mexicans are “rapists.”Less likely? How is that for comfort when it is your family who suffers from the hand of an illegal? Do you say you are just a one-off?
Here’s his exact comment:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he said. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”
It’s simply not true any more than Americans are “gauche, pig farming, clodhoppers.”
Many Mexicans want to flee from crime, from rape, from problems. They want their children to be able to grow up in a safer environment. Many are hardworking, loving individuals and family persons. Most are devout Catholics.
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pnewton
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Victims of crime do not receive comfort from politics of any stripe.How is that for comfort when it is your family who suffers from the hand of an illegal?
Making political decisions based on reality can make fewer victims that need comfort.
If you have ever ran a stop sign or exceeded the speed limit, so are you. I know I am “illegal” if I applied the above definition fairly. Is Trump “illegal” in the same sense of the word? This is why we should use language carefully. The term “illegal” should only apply to an act, not a person.If they are legal, we at least know something about them. If they are illegal, good luck with knowing anything.
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Seamus_L
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Young Latinos Leave Catholicism for No Religious Affiliation nbcnews.com/news/latino/young-latinos-leave-catholicism-no-religious-affiliation-n99041
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Tomdstone
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But for that you are fined and punished. For repeated offenses of that sort you can have your drivers license suspended.If you have ever ran a stop sign or exceeded the speed limit, so are you. I know I am “illegal” if I applied the above definition fairly.
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Lily_Bernans
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I parked illegally in Spain several times. The Guadia Civil got me back, though, when they unfairly told me I passed a military vehicle I did not pass. They told me I could take it to court or pay them a hefty fine there, which I did. I suppose they pocketed it. I also suppose I am an “illegal” in Spain. LOL I love the country, but the Guadia Civil does prey on those with foreign license plates.Victims of crime do not receive comfort from politics of any stripe.
Making political decisions based on reality can make fewer victims that need comfort.
If you have ever ran a stop sign or exceeded the speed limit, so are you. I know I am “illegal” if I applied the above definition fairly.
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Path_Finder
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Originally Posted by Lily Bernans View Post
Surely a billionaire could hire an adequate fact checker before he puts his foot in his mouth yet again:
“Newcomers to the U.S. are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated.”
I’m pretty sure this is the data to which the response is, this is not taking into account those illegally in our nation. So, then, who put their foot in their mouth.
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Lily_Bernans
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The fact is that all Mexicans who come here do not come with “problems” and all are not “rapists.” Trump was attempting to characterize an entire country when he had no knowledge of the character or the background of the Mexicans coming here. It was just more blah, blah, blah from him. Unsubstantiated words. If one characterizes someone as a “rapist,” he or she better have facts to back that accusation up.But for that you are fined and punished. For repeated offenses of that sort you can have your drivers license suspended.
meltzerboy
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Even if Trump has no problem with legal Mexican immigrants, does he not have a huge problem with legal Muslim immigrants? Surely they cannot all be terrorists, and no doubt the vast majority of Muslims from a variety of countries are not, but doesn’t his proposed ban, even if temporary, on Muslim immigration infer that each and every incoming Muslim is suspect by virtue of their religion? This way of thinking, to me, sounds un-American.Trumps major platform is illegal immigration. He wants it stopped. He says that many illegals commit crimes here. He invites families who have suffered crimes by illegals to his rally and talk about the problem.
Even if there was confusion because of in-articulation in his first speech, people should know by now that trump has no problem with legal immigrants but he wants a secure border and our laws enforced. There is no question at all with what he is about.
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Peter_J
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Indeed. “Hostility Works for some People. It Doesn’t Work for Everybody.”Good point. I took your last post wrong. Yes, there are many that try to push their opinions using force, pressure, volume; anything but reason. And no, I do not revel in it. In fact, I was appalled by some of the childish things Rubio said. If he thought he was trying to be funny, he failed.
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Lily_Bernans
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I don’t think he even wants them to visit:Even if Trump has no problem with legal Mexican immigrants, does he not have a huge problem with legal Muslim immigrants? Surely they cannot all be terrorists, and no doubt the vast majority of Muslims from a variety of countries are not, but doesn’t his proposed ban, even if temporary, on Muslim immigration infer that each and every incoming Muslim is suspect by virtue of their religion? This way of thinking, to me, sounds un-American.
cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/
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TMC
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Its not clear to me, but even if it were, are you saying its OK for him to categorize an entire group of people in this way?To further analyze what Trump said:
The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems.
Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people.
It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably— probably— from the Middle East. **But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. **And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.
time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/
If you look at all the bolded parts, it’s clear that Trump is talking about Mexican government not wanting to deal with their own problems and allowing people to sneak in the US as illegal immigrants; hence the mention of border guards, that we don’t know what’s going on or who is coming in because we have no control of the process.
It’s clear he’s talking about illegals not legal immigrants.
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