Trump Thread

[Peter_J]

Trumps resent statements on abortion only show how shallow he is in thinking out issues which don’t involve making money.

He’s clever at making money, but he lacks wisdom on many other issues.

He is not presidential, but unfortunately. the alternatives to him aren’t much better.

I’ll never vote for Hillary, but I’ll also never vote for Cruz.

What a sad state our election is in this time.

Jim

Well, Kasich is still technically in it, although personally I’m inclined to just accept Cruz’s shortcomings and hope that next time around we get someone more moderate like Rubio.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Well,
Kasich is still technically in it, although personally I’m inclined to just accept
Cruz’s shortopcomings and hope that next time around we get someone more moderate like
Rubio.

I liked Kasich, and he isn’t so extreme, but the more he talks, the more I dislike and distrust him. Not that I trust Cruz, either. I don’t, especially in light of what JimR, above me, posted about Cruz’s activities in Iowa.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Well,
Kasich is still technically in it, although personally I’m inclined to just accept
Cruz’s shortopcomings and hope that next time around we get someone more moderate like
Rubio.

Perhaps Rubio will be on a Cruz ticket. I doubt that though, but if the Cruz is the nominee, I suspect he would be at least considered. I think Carly Fiorina would probably be a strong contender for Cruz’s VP.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Perhaps Rubio will be on a Cruz ticket. I doubt that though, but if the Cruz is the nominee, I suspect he would be at least considered. I think Carly Fiorina would probably be a strong contender for Cruz’s VP.

Carly Fiorina would sink Cruz’a ship just like Sarah Palin sunk McCain’s.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Yes, he should. According to Trump, women who procure abortions should be punished but the fathers of their babies shouldn’t be, even if they are willing to have their babies aborted. If the fathers are complicit in murder and the women are to be punished, the fathers should be, too.

Or perhaps he should apologize for thinking up his stance on the issue on the spot. That’s pretty insulting, as well.

I agree with you about the fathers, etc., but if Trump is going to be the candidate, he’s going to have to answer a lot of questions without time to formulate a reasoned and balanced answer, so I guess he’d better get used to thinking on the spot. If he has to go up against Hillary on foreign relations, he’s going to find himself in a pickle, to put it mildly.

 

[gracepoole]

I agree with you about the fathers, etc., but if Trump is going to be the candidate, he’s going to have to answer a lot of questions without time to formulate a reasoned and balanced answer, so I guess he’d better get used to thinking on the spot. If he has to go up against Hillary on foreign relations, he’s going to find himself in a pickle, to put it mildly.

Or he could think about major social and political issues before sitting down to speak with journalists. That he hasn’t formulated a coherent position on abortion is…scary. Although perhaps no more scary than anything else he’s said…

 

[queenofheartscv]

I agree with you about the fathers, etc., but if Trump is going to be the candidate, he’s going to have to answer a lot of questions without time to formulate a reasoned and balanced answer, so I guess he’d better get used to thinking on the spot. If he has to go up against Hillary on foreign relations, he’s going to find himself in a pickle, to put it mildly.

Or he can learn to say, I’m not going to answer a hypothetical question. There are many ways to evade an answer which politicians do so well but for trump he has to learn.

 

[gracepoole]

Or he can learn to say, I’m not going to answer a hypothetical question. There are many ways to evade an answer which politicians do so well but for trump he has to learn.

So no politician should have to answer the simple question asked of Trump by Matthews – how will making abortion illegal actually function?

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Or he could think about major social and political issues before sitting down to speak with journalists. That he hasn’t formulated a coherent position on abortion is…scary. Although perhaps no more scary than anything else he’s said…

LOL You have a wonderful way with words!

 

[Peter_J]

Perhaps Rubio will be on a Cruz ticket. I doubt that though, but if the Cruz is the nominee, I suspect he would be at least considered.

That would be a good idea IMO, but I recently heard Rubio say he isn’t interested in being anyone’s VP.

 

[Peter_J]

This was actually posted nearly six years ago but given Trump’s comments regarding punishing women for abortion, which he now gone back on, it’s worth reading:

Why the States Did Not Prosecute Women for Abortion Before Roe v. Wade

aul.org/2010/04/why-the-states-did-not-prosecute-women-for-abortion-before-roe-v-wade/

Thank you for posting that.

“There is no documented case since 1922 in which a woman was even charged in an abortion in the United States.”

If that doesn’t get people’s attention, I don’t know what will.

 

[pnewton]

So, you don’t think the Republicans are truly pro-life?

It is clear they are more anti-abortion. Pro-life is a broad term, like pro-choice. I do not see Donald Trump as very pro-life, and only mildly opposed to abortion, if at all.

 

[pnewton]

I’m with you QOHCV (save for the fact that I’m pro-choice). If anti-choicers …

That term is as dumb as pro-choice. Choice of what? If choice does not end where the rights of another begins, then the right to rape women makes as much sense as the right to terminate the life of an unborn child. Are you also pro-choice for rape, or child abuse? Is it really choice you favor, or the *one *right to choose an abortion.

Getting back to Trump, and tying this thought to him, it is clear that he has not solid opinion on this topic. It may well be, and understandable from his point of view, that he has not really thought much beyond what position he wants to take. The fault is not totally his. We spend so much time posturing back and forth on this topic that any dialogue is lost. Like race in the past, this is the single most divisive issue in America. I am convinced honest dialogue would result in most people seeing the illogical and contradictory position that is the right to abortion. It would eliminate, or restricted, or we would pursue the other logical alternative of infanticed, force euthanasia of the elderly, disabled and mentally infirm, etc.

 

[Sy_Noe]

That would be a good idea IMO, but I recently heard Rubio say he isn’t interested in being anyone’s VP.

Yup. Rubio assured the country that in January he will be a private citizen. Is not running for governor either. And Kasich has also said he isn’t going to be VP. That he is going to remain governor of OH. In fact he has gone so far as to say he would make the worst VP.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Yup. Rubio assured the country that in January he will be a private citizen. Is not running for governor either. And Kasich has also said he isn’t going to be VP. That he is going to remain governor of OH. In fact he has gone so far as to say he would make the worst VP.

I don’t think that is necessarily true - Rubio’s ‘retirement.’ Behind the scenes, he is protecting his delegates for a first vote should it come to that at the convention. To me, it looks like he wisely decided to take a step back from all of the chaos and shrapnel that is the GOP 2016 election campaign. If the dust settles with Cruz as nominee (and Cruz has a reasonable means to unify the party - another big ‘if’), I expect to see Rubio in play as VP. Also Kasich in the cabinet - my pick is Secretary of State.

Rubio just needs to decide if that is the best way to serve, or if he should bide his time until 2020. In a year or two, I think his pulling out gracefully followed by the Trump debacle could have him in a very good spot to re-enter GOP politics; they simply don’t have many other young talented leaders. But as for 2016, I would expect him to continue to lay low if Cruz is solidly doomed by party fracturing after receiving the nomination or also if Donald takes the nomination (but that is increasingly unlikely - the GOP would essentially be forced to run a 3rd party candidate to protect the brand).

 

[Estevao]

Having watched the video, I don’t think Trump really affirmed the “punish the woman who contracted the murder” position, Matthews wanted that answer and he “got” it. Then Trump posts his real opinion online and he “flip flopped”.

Another scandal that I’m sure has finally stumped Trump’s campaign. Sure we’ve been saying that for 9 months, but this time will surely be it.

 

[estesbob]

Having watched the video, I don’t think Trump really affirmed the “punish the woman who contracted the murder” position, Matthews wanted that answer and he “got” it. Then Trump posts his real opinion online and he “flip flopped”.

Another scandal that I’m sure has finally stumped Trump’s campaign. Sure we’ve been saying that for 9 months, but this time will surely be it.

I hope you are right but I doubt it.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Or he could think about major social and political issues before sitting down to speak with journalists. That he hasn’t formulated a coherent position on abortion is…scary. Although perhaps no more scary than anything else he’s said…

Right. A candidate without coherent positions. And a fan base.

Please let’s just not call it conservatism or the GOP. I saw the clip last night of Trump talking to Mathews - some ‘conservative Republicans’ believe that women should be punished for abortions. Incredible. A DNC plant would not have gone there - for fear of exposure, derailment of the mission.

 

[Tomdstone]

I liked Kasich, and he isn’t so extreme, but the more he talks, the more I dislike and distrust him.

Yes, I agree.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I don’t think that is necessarily true - Rubio’s ‘retirement.’ Behind the scenes, he is protecting his delegates for a first vote should it come to that at the convention. To me, it looks like he wisely decided to take a step back from all of the chaos and shrapnel that is the GOP 2016 election campaign. If the dust settles with Cruz as nominee (and Cruz has a reasonable means to unify the party - another big ‘if’), I expect to see Rubio in play as VP. Also Kasich in the cabinet - my pick is Secretary of State.

Rubio just needs to decide if that is the best way to serve, or if he should bide his time until 2020. In a year or two, I think his pulling out gracefully followed by the Trump debacle could have him in a very good spot to re-enter GOP politics; they simply don’t have many other young talented leaders. But as for 2016, I would expect him to continue to lay low if Cruz is solidly doomed by party fracturing after receiving the nomination or also if Donald takes the nomination (but that is increasingly unlikely - the GOP would essentially be forced to run a 3rd party candidate to protect the brand).

All I have is Rubio in his own words to go by.