Trump Thread

[Tablefor9]

You would swear that abortion supports believe the child snuck into the Mothers womb one night and is illegally living there. They consider an abortion nothing more than evicting a “squatter”

Who let this in here?

 

[Thorolfr]

Trump might fall slightly, but voters will uphold him. Every time he talks directly to the people he wins. 7 rallies in three days in Wisconsin. We shall see very soon.

Things don’t look all the good for Trump in Wisconsin:

Donald Trump’s path to the 1,237 delegates necessary to clinch the Republican presidential nomination may be about to hit a major speed bump in Wisconsin. **Two polls out in the past week, from Basswood Research and Marquette University, show Ted Cruz with a lead of 5 percentage points and 10 percentage points, respectively. **If Cruz wins Wisconsin by that much, Trump could get few of the state’s delegates, setting him further off pace and increasing the chances of a contested convention.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/wisconsin-could-be-trouble-for-trump/

This was an interesting exchange:

The CBS hosts…asks Trump about his suggestion that Pacific countries should develop their own nuclear weapons to counter North Korea and China.

“Look, nuclear’s a horror show,” Trump says, but: “You have to have cards on the table.”

“At what point and at what cost do we continue to protect Japan and Germany and many other countries?” He repeats his demand that countries pay the US for protection.

Then he completely contradicts himself: “The single biggest problem the world has is nuclear.”

“I think if somebody gets nuclear weapons that’s a disaster,” he continues. Dickerson asks him what he’s talking about. “I think it could be many people, not even countries, splinter groups, it’s people.”

theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/apr/03/donald-trump-ted-cruz-republicans-wisconsin-sanders-clinton-live

So he seems to be saying that Japan, South Koria and Germany should have their own nuclear weapons instead of relying on us to protect them, but that it’s a disaster when “someone gets nuclear weapons”. Isn’t that a contradiction?

 

[FollowChrist34]

I’ll speak as a female trump supporter. Women like to be safe; we like strength, confidence, humor, and leadership, all of which trump possesses.

If you insist trump doesn’t like women and vice versa, how come no one is saying hillary doesn’t like men and men don’t like hillary? The media always pushes the meme that republicans wage a war on women, and people just keep falling for it.

I’ll speak as a woman who is deeply offended by Trump’s long public history of insults and bullying of women. What Trump does to women is disgusting and degrading. And I have no use for feminism, never have. I do believe in respecting human dignity in everyone. But misogyny is misogyny no matter how cool and politically incorrect you want to try and paint it. I’ll give the Donald the last word.

Trump, 1992 New York magazine interview: “Women, you have to treat them like s**t.”

 

[Tablefor9]

I’ll speak as a woman who is deeply offended by Trump’s long public history of insults and bullying of women. What Trump does to women is disgusting and degrading. And I have no use for feminism, never have. I do believe in respecting human dignity in everyone. But misogyny is misogyny no matter how cool and politically incorrect you want to try and paint it. I’ll give the Donald the last word.

Trump, 1992 New York magazine interview: “Women, you have to treat them like s**t.”

Me, too.
I think we should believe people when their own words and works illustrate who they are.

 

[FollowChrist34]

G.O.P. Fears Donald Trump as Zombie Candidate: Damaged but Unstoppable

It may still be enough, Republicans say, for Mr. Trump to win the barest of delegate majorities before the Cleveland convention. But had he taken a more deliberate and less divisive approach in the past two weeks, Mr. Trump’s nomination might be inevitable, and he might be less wounded as a candidate in November.

“He would be miles ahead of this kind of junk,” Mr. Gingrich said, referring to Mr. Trump’s feuding over Mr. Lewandowski and Mrs. Cruz. “I don’t understand it. I don’t think it works.”

As it is, Mr. Gingrich said, “I think he has a real possibility of, having surged amazingly, to miss the golden ring.”

nytimes.com/2016/04/02/us/politics/gop-fears-donald-trump-as-zombie-candidate-damaged-but-unstoppable.html

Nice piece about the current state of affairs in the race for the GOP nomination. Worst case scenario: Trump limps to 1237, is the GOP candidate, loses badly. I agree this is likely, of course, but I think increasingly unlikely. I think it is more plausible that no candidate gets to 1237 and we go to an open convention. Cruz emerges as the nominee. What happens from there is anyone’s guess. How many people vote for him? I am not quite as pessimistic here as some. As I have stated before, I think he has a slight chance to win. I wonder at this article; I think the left is now actually hoping they get Trump - they know that over half the GOP dislikes him and so does all of the Democrat demographic. Smell of blood in the water. And btw it sounds like Gingrich is out of the Trump tank.

 

[Thorolfr]

Here’s a recent analysis by Nate Silver:

At the prediction market Betfair on Friday morning, bettors put Donald Trump’s chances of winning the Republican presidential nomination at 56 percent. That’s down a fair bit — Trump had been hovering at about 70 percent after his win in Arizona (and loss in Utah) last week. Meanwhile, the likelihood of a contested convention according to bettors has considerably increased. There’s now a 63 percent chance1 that the convention in Cleveland will require multiple ballots, according to Betfair.

In other words, the markets are now betting on a contested convention. Not just a near-miss, where the nomination is resolved at some point between the last day of GOP primaries June 7 and the start of the convention July 18, but the thing that political journalists dream about: a full-blown contested convention where it takes multiple ballots to determine the Republican nominee.

Here’s the thing, though: Those markets don’t make a lot of sense. If you really think the chance of a multi-ballot convention is 63 percent, but also still have Trump with a 56 percent chance of winning the nomination, that implies there’s a fairly good chance that Trump will win if voting goes beyond the first ballot. That’s probably wrong. If Trump doesn’t win on the first ballot, he’s probably screwed.

The basic reason is simple. Most of the 2,472 delegates with a vote in Cleveland probably aren’t going to like Trump.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-probably-first-ballot-or-bust-for-donald-trump-at-the-gop-convention/

 

[estesbob]

I’ll speak as a woman who is deeply offended by Trump’s long public history of insults and bullying of women. What Trump does to women is disgusting and degrading. And I have no use for feminism, never have. I do believe in respecting human dignity in everyone. But misogyny is misogyny no matter how cool and politically incorrect you want to try and paint it. I’ll give the Donald the last word.

Trump, 1992 New York magazine interview: “Women, you have to treat them like s**t.”

I Feel the same way about Hillary enabling a Man who is a serial adulterer , sexual harasser, and sexual assaulter -all in the name of gaining political power .

Trump is an amateur when it comes to degrading women when compared to Bill Clinton - yet Hillary sends him out on the campaign trail to campaign for her .

 

[FollowChrist34]

Here’s a recent analysis by Nate Silver:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-probably-first-ballot-or-bust-for-donald-trump-at-the-gop-convention/

Right. The delegates at open convention will be asking themselves one thing: will enough voters support this candidate in the general?

The delegates are seriously engaged, informed core GOP folks. (I want to say “elite” which I don’t mean in a bad way, but that word has such a bad rap right now)

This is Kasich’s last hope. I don’t think the delegates will see it that way or they will break into Cruz and Kasich factions for a vote or two. At some point they compromise on Cruz because he has a better chance to pull Trump’s anti-establishment support; Kasich alienates too much of the hard right. Rubio gives his delegates to Cruz. Cruz agrees to give Kasich some sort of deal - hopefully a spot in the cabinet, platform (name removed by moderator)ut - for his delegates. Trump will try to do the same deals, but I think the delegates will be too smart and too nervous to go down that road.

As for Trump voters, I think his traditional GOP voters will come right back into the fold - I don’t know about the never voted before diehard “I am mad as hell” Apprentice fans. This will depend on Trump, who I think might actually get behind Cruz. I don’t think his original intention was to destroy the GOP’s chances in the general; it will be interesting to see what Trump does when he realizes this is what is happening. I say he pulls back.

 

[FollowChrist34]

I Feel the same way about Hillary enabling a Man who is a serial adulterer , sexual harasser, and sexual assaulter -all in the name of gaining political power .

Trump is an amateur when it comes to degrading women when compared to Bill Clinton - yet Hillary sends him out on the campaign trail to campaign for her .

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Whatever feelings I have about Bill or Hillary Clinton have nothing to do with the repulsion Trump inspires in me. To be honest, the Clintons don’t bother me that much here, on a personal level. I think Hillary looks better running against Trump (whom I see as pretty close to amoral) and I would possibly vote for her or not vote. I don’t like it when people blame her for Bill’s transgressions. It is not fair and I don’t think it is a convincing argument. I can’t believe I am defending Hillary, but I will against Trump. Amazing. And I am not alone - this is more important.

I don’t like how far left the Democratic party has shifted, since the Clinton administration. This is a more powerful argument to me against Hillary. This is why I would not vote for her. This is also, incidentally, why I have such a bee in my bonnet about not having to choose Hillary or Trump. Thankfully I don’t think I will have to.

 

[Thorolfr]

I Feel the same way about Hillary enabling a Man who is a serial adulterer , sexual harasser, and sexual assaulter -all in the name of gaining political power .

Trump is an amateur when it comes to degrading women when compared to Bill Clinton - yet Hillary sends him out on the campaign trail to campaign for her .

So is Trump a lot better? While he was still married to his first wife Ivana, he was having a long running affair with Marla Maples who gave birth to their daughter in 1993. Trump married Marla two months later. He’s now on wife number three.

 

[meltzerboy]

Things don’t look all the good for Trump in Wisconsin:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/wisconsin-could-be-trouble-for-trump/

This was an interesting exchange:

theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/apr/03/donald-trump-ted-cruz-republicans-wisconsin-sanders-clinton-live

So he seems to be saying that Japan, South Koria and Germany should have their own nuclear weapons instead of relying on us to protect them, but that it’s a disaster when “someone gets nuclear weapons”. Isn’t that a contradiction?

Trump thrives on contradictions, sometimes within the same sentence, and most of his supporters do not pay attention to them.

 

[meltzerboy]

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Whatever feelings I have about Bill or Hillary Clinton have nothing to do with the repulsion Trump inspires in me. To be honest, the Clintons don’t bother me that much here, on a personal level. I think Hillary looks better running against Trump (whom I see as pretty close to amoral) and I would possibly vote for her or not vote. I don’t like it when people blame her for Bill’s transgressions. It is not fair and I don’t think it is a convincing argument. I can’t believe I am defending Hillary, but I will against Trump. Amazing. And I am not alone - this is more important.

I don’t like how far left the Democratic party has shifted, since the Clinton administration. This is a more powerful argument to me against Hillary. This is why I would not vote for her. This is also, incidentally, why I have such a bee in my bonnet about not having to choose Hillary or Trump. Thankfully I don’t think I will have to.

Yet Hillary’s leftist views pale beside those of Sanders, with the notable exception of gun control. In fact, many liberals regard her as left of center in today’s Democratic Party. There has been a shift in labels in the two major political parties, which have both become more extreme than ever before. Trump, however, does not neatly fit any label since he is his own brand.

 

[estesbob]

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Whatever feelings I have about Bill or Hillary Clinton have nothing to do with the repulsion Trump inspires in me. To be honest, the Clintons don’t bother me that much here, on a personal level. I think Hillary looks better running against Trump (whom I see as pretty close to amoral) and I would possibly vote for her or not vote. I don’t like it when people blame her for Bill’s transgressions. It is not fair and I don’t think it is a convincing argument. I can’t believe I am defending Hillary, but I will against Trump. Amazing. And I am not alone - this is more important.

I don’t like how far left the Democratic party has shifted, since the Clinton administration. This is a more powerful argument to me against Hillary. This is why I would not vote for her. This is also, incidentally, why I have such a bee in my bonnet about not having to choose Hillary or Trump. Thankfully I don’t think I will have to.

Hillary is going to have a hard time playing the victimized woman’s card because of her husbands behavior

 

[Peter_J]

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Whatever feelings I have about Bill or Hillary Clinton have nothing to do with the repulsion Trump inspires in me. To be honest, the Clintons don’t bother me that much here, on a personal level. I think Hillary looks better running against Trump (whom I see as pretty close to amoral) and I would possibly vote for her or not vote. I don’t like it when people blame her for Bill’s transgressions. It is not fair and I don’t think it is a convincing argument. I can’t believe I am defending Hillary, but I will against Trump. Amazing. And I am not alone - this is more important.

I don’t like how far left the Democratic party has shifted, since the Clinton administration. This is a more powerful argument to me against Hillary. This is why I would not vote for her. This is also, incidentally, why I have such a bee in my bonnet about not having to choose Hillary or Trump. Thankfully I don’t think I will have to.

I think I’m even more negative about Hillary than you are, but I don’t like when people say stuff like “anyone but Clinton” (ABC). For two reasons: one, it’s far from impossible that someone worse than Clinton could come along; and two, ABC says or at least hints that the speaker doesn’t care much who they get provided that it isn’t Clinton.

 

[estesbob]

So is Trump a lot better? While he was still married to his first wife Ivana, he was having a long running affair with Marla Maples who gave birth to their daughter in 1993. Trump married Marla two months later. He’s now on wife number three.

Trump Is not the one complaining about the treatment of women

 

[BellsMom]

So glad trump is no Romney, not a wimp.

Merriman-Webster offers “wimp” synonyms as softie, weakling, wuss and coward. Some antonyms are stalwart, powerhouse, titan and macho.

In what way was Romney a coward or weakling? What is it about Trump that makes him a powerhouse or titan?

Is it the way he insults people he doesn’t like by calling them idiots and morons? Or how he bullies people and organizations who are against his campaign by threatening to “go after” them as with the Chicago Cubs owners? I personally don’t find it powerful or manly to act like a 14yr old berating people on twitter that you doesn’t like, like calling Rosie a “fat pig” etc. How about his endless tweets about Megyn Kelly?

I cannot for the life of me figure out what people find attractive about this kind of person. He behaves like a petulant entitled teenager, not the next president of the United States.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

So, am I to understand that you absolutely don’t believe that there are women who can be coerced by parents or partners, or in overwhelmingly difficult financial or psychological situations that make abortion seem like the only way out for them? A way out that is more easily accessible and easier to rationalize away now that it’s legal and accepted, even celebrated?

Question: a. do you know what battered woman syndrome is, and if so, b. Does it mitigate the use of violent, even deadly, force at all? Happy to take this to pm or elsewhere as Inunderstand this is off topic.

Women aren’t stupid. But they can be victimized.

The great majority of women who have abortions aren’t victimized in any way. And lack of culpability on the woman’s part isn’t the reason they weren’t prosecuted prior to Roe v Wade.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Merriman-Webster offers “wimp” synonyms as softie, weakling, wuss and coward. Some antonyms are stalwart, powerhouse, titan and macho.

In what way was Romney a coward or weakling? What is it about Trump that makes him a powerhouse or titan?

Is it the way he insults people he doesn’t like by calling them idiots and morons? Or how he bullies people and organizations who are against his campaign by threatening to “go after” them as with the Chicago Cubs owners? I personally don’t find it powerful or manly to act like a 14yr old berating people on twitter that you doesn’t like, like calling Rosie a “fat pig” etc. How about his endless tweets about Megyn Kelly?

I cannot for the life of me figure out what people find attractive about this kind of person. He behaves like a petulant entitled teenager, not the next president of the United States.

I agree with you.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

I Feel the same way about Hillary enabling a Man who is a serial adulterer , sexual harasser, and sexual assaulter -all in the name of gaining political power .

Trump is an amateur when it comes to degrading women when compared to Bill Clinton - yet Hillary sends him out on the campaign trail to campaign for her .

How did Hillary enable Bill’s past affairs? I don’t see her involvement. Should we be blaming Ivana for Trump’s affairs? I don’t.

 

[AFerri48]

The great majority of women who have abortions aren’t victimized in any way. And lack of culpability on the woman’s part isn’t the reason they weren’t prosecuted prior to Roe v Wade.

Then what was the reason?