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estesbob said:
Basically the democrats have stayed in power by dividing us as much as possible. They target groups, tell them they are victims and institute solutions that do great harm to them. But like crack addicts they get addicted to democrat Largess and accept the endemic poverty, substandard schools and broken families that always occur when a groups is “helped” by the Democrats-African Americans being the best example.
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Exactly!
 
estesbob said:
Basically the democrats have stayed in power by dividing us as much as possible. They target groups, tell them they are victims and institute solutions that do great harm to them. But like crack addicts they get addicted to democrat Largess and accept the endemic poverty, substandard schools and broken families that always occur when a groups is “helped” by the Democrats-African Americans being the best example.
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Before Johnson’s “Great” Society, the African-American community had a higher percentage of intact marriages than the white community.

There are those who claim that LBJ did it on purpose.
 
estesbob said:
Basically the democrats have stayed in power by dividing us as much as possible. They target groups, tell them they are victims and institute solutions that do great harm to them. But like crack addicts they get addicted to democrat Largess and accept the endemic poverty, substandard schools and broken families that always occur when a groups is “helped” by the Democrats-African Americans being the best example.
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Heck yeah. And now the trend is, if you’re angry at the Democratic Party, take it out on the GOP.

You can’t make this stuff up.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Before Johnson’s “Great” Society, the African-American community had a higher percentage of intact marriages than the white community.

There are those who claim that LBJ did it on purpose.
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This is true LBJ’s social experiment,changed everything.Black men got the message they were’t needed and it was financially beneficial for the women and kids if they stayed away.
He may very well have planned it this way and I believe the likes Al Sharpton ,Jesse Jackson ,and those who purport to be a voice for the Black community are actually intentionally keeping the Black community down
 
meltzerboy said:
On the surface, that sounds just and fair; however, it is also one of the problems with the G.O.P. and the perception people have that the Party is oblivious to past, as well as present, discrimination of members of certain groups. These people are not being treated equally and require special attention to the problems created, in part, by discrimination. The G.O.P. refuses to see it this way and believes instead in “rugged individualism,” small government, and pulling oneself up by one’s own bootstraps. Taken to the extreme, such attitudes alienate many voters.
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I am not a Repub, though I’m conservative in most things. But it’s erroneous to imagine that the dem party does anything meaningful about discrimination. Stirring up racial antipathies does not help minorities in any way. But, as a graduate of the “Alinsky school”, Obama can be reasonably believed to have more interest in causing antipathies for the sake of creating revolution and raising organizational funds than in actually aiding minorities. One needs to ask oneself whether the circumstance of minorities has improved in any way in the last 7 1/2 years OTHER than by some of them pulling themselves up by the bootstraps.

Perhaps interestingly, I read not long ago that one of the biggest unemployment problems in the U.S. is caused by poor distribution of potential workers. People are either unwilling or unable to go from places of high unemployment to places of high employment. I live in one of the latter, and it amazes me that people complain about unemployment but won’t move to where jobs are going begging. Is there a proper federal role in that, or perhaps one of the states or regions where workers are sorely needed? Not too hard to imagine so, but nothing ever happens EXCEPT that there are largely private organization that help place refugees in places where they can easily gain employment. We have some of that around here, but not nearly enough. They’re usually church organizations.

And so, instead of inciting resentment and riots in Ferguson, why don’t the “leaders” find ways to facilitate movement of some of them to Springfield where jobs are going begging? But it doesn’t happen because too many of the leaders gain by keeping people miserable.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Before Johnson’s “Great” Society, the African-American community had a higher percentage of intact marriages than the white community.

There are those who claim that LBJ did it on purpose.
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So are you going to claim that African Americans were better off before the Civil Rights Movement?
 
estesbob said:
Basically the democrats have stayed in power by dividing us as much as possible. They target groups, tell them they are victims and institute solutions that do great harm to them. But like crack addicts they get addicted to democrat Largess and accept the endemic poverty, substandard schools and broken families that always occur when a groups is “helped” by the Democrats-African Americans being the best example.
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So what have Republicans been doing to help African Americans?

And is the Democrat Largess to which African Americans have supposedly become addicted similar to the largess that both parties give to big corporations (i.e. “corporate welfare”)?
 
Thorolfr said:
So are you going to claim that African Americans were better off before the Civil Rights Movement?
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The Great Society is not the same as the Civil Rights Movement. For one thing, LBJ wishes he could be as great a leader as MLK. 😉
 
Thorolfr said:
So are you going to claim that African Americans were better off before the Civil Rights Movement?
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In many instances they were. There were many more intact families than there are now and far fewer babies born out of wedlock.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
The Great Society is not the same as the Civil Rights Movement. For one thing, LBJ wishes he could be as great a leader as MLK. 😉
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So would poor people be better off without programs like food stamps and Medicaid? And if we didn’t have those programs, how would poor people get medical care and enough food to eat when they are unemployed or employed in very low paying jobs?
 
Thorolfr said:
So would poor people be better off without programs like food stamps and Medicaid? And if we didn’t have those programs, how would poor people get medical care and enough food to eat when they are unemployed or employed in very low paying jobs?
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No one is against temporary help. What most of us are against is welfare as a permanent life-style.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
No one is against temporary help. What most of us are against is welfare as a permanent life-style.
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I’m against welfare as a lifestyle, but certainly not as temporary help for those who have, unfortunately, fallen on hard times.
 
Thorolfr said:
So would poor people be better off without programs like food stamps and Medicaid? And if we didn’t have those programs, how would poor people get medical care and enough food to eat when they are unemployed or employed in very low paying jobs?
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Food stamps welfare were originally intended as a safety net,short term for families,individuals in duress.These programs have now become a generational lifestyle for the vast majority.After awhile ,it becomes easier to just stick with the status quo rather than try to improve one’s situation. Add to that ,the soft bigotry of the left which by and large has the marginslized brainwashed into believing they can’t make it n their own.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Food stamps welfare were originally intended as a safety net,short term for families,individuals in duress.These programs have now become a generational lifestyle for the vast majority.After awhile ,it becomes easier to just stick with the status quo rather than try to improve one’s situation. Add to that ,the soft bigotry of the left which by and large has the marginslized brainwashed into believing they can’t make it n their own.
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Thorolfr said:
So are you going to claim that African Americans were better off before the Civil Rights Movement?
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I don’t think one could say that in a political sense.

But some things jump out at a person. Where are the largest severe pockets of poverty in the U.S.? In northern cities, and largely among black populations. Why are they there? Because during WWII and for a time thereafter, there was a severe labor shortage in industrial cities, and blacks moved up from the south for the jobs. Then the jobs left and/or became hard to get. Some of the latter was due to unions. Some black unemployment was due to outright racism on the part of unions. But probably more was due to the fact that union cards became a hereditament; something you inherited, as a practical matter, from your father, your uncle, your cousin.

So, why did the blacks not move on to where they could find jobs? They did it once. I don’t think anybody knows the answer, but welfare might be part of it. If you could be supported where you were, then why go to the trouble to move? And would black men actually pick up and move from Detroit to, say, Oklahoma if their women wouldn’t because their social and financial senses of security said “stay here”? No, they would not.

I expect to get blasted for saying the above, but since nobody seems to have any better answers, I’ll stay with it until someone comes along with better explanations.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Food stamps welfare were originally intended as a safety net,short term for families,individuals in duress.These programs have now become a generational lifestyle for the vast majority.After awhile ,it becomes easier to just stick with the status quo rather than try to improve one’s situation. Add to that ,the soft bigotry of the left which by and large has the marginslized brainwashed into believing they can’t make it n their own.
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More than 40 states have time limits on how long one can receive food stamps. And almost all have limits on welfare. If I remember correctly, the welfare time limit is federal, not state. That was passed in the 90’s.
 
sallybutler said:
More than 40 states have time limits on how long one can receive food stamps. And almost all have limits on welfare. If I remember correctly, the welfare time limit is federal, not state. That was passed in the 90’s.
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I do wonder then, If this is the case,do recipients have the ability to reapply after a certain time lapse?
 
Jeanne_S said:
I do wonder then, If this is the case,do recipients have the ability to reapply after a certain time lapse?
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It is absolutely not the case in California. I know of families that are on the 4th or 5th generation of, at least, Medi-Cal
 
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